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Re: Myth No. 3 [grbeck] by dallasdude1
Dec 01, 2008 (6:25 pm)
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Replying to: grbeck (Dec 01, 2008 1:37 pm)

Did the person who told you that Asian cars decompose faster than domestic ones tell you this about the Honda hybrids, too?
 
First of all they owned one, you haven't.
 
Second we do know that Cuba has kept all those old Amreican cars running all these years.
 
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/editorial-in-search-of-hondas-hybrids/
 
Regarding Honda CVT reliability, check out the Dept. of Energy long term testing of hybrids:
 
http://avt.inel.gov/hev.shtml
 
As I recall, about half of their Insights and Civics required one or more transmission replacements over the lifetime of their long-term testing.
 
Consumer Reports rated the CVT as worse than average and, to put kindly, you may want to look at a variety of owner review sites, hybrid focused sites, and really any site that assesses the reliability of the 1st generation Civic hybrid.
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Re: DD, Out of touch on so many issues [grbeck] by dallasdude1
Dec 01, 2008 (6:33 pm)
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Replying to: grbeck (Dec 01, 2008 1:41 pm)

Their relationship was so close that Bush ignored Lay's request that the federal government intervene when Enron collapsed, and Lay and several of Enron's top leaders were successfully prosecuted by the federal government during the Bush Administration.
 
The judicial branch is independent of the executive branch. Back to UAW business.
 
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/07/bush-lay/
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Re: I'm Confused ROGELIOV [dallasdude1] by circlew
Dec 01, 2008 (6:36 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 01, 2008 5:56 pm)

Now here's a smart guy.
 
That might not be enough for some lawmakers. Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., the Democratic Whip, told reporters Monday in Columbia, S.C., that the three CEOs should quit.
 
"If I had my way, all three of those guys would be in the unemployment line and I think that ought to be one of the conditions for us doing this," Clyburn said. "We need to have new leadership."

 
The bank "bailout" really isn't a bailout after all.
 
TARP turns to Investment
 
Regards,
OW
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DD, Out of touch on so many issues [dallasdude1] by gagrice
Dec 01, 2008 (7:41 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 01, 2008 6:33 pm)

Six posts and not one has any relevance to the UAW workers. And their role in the demise of the Domestic Automakers. Or was Bill Clinton trying to get Ken Lay to hire UAW workers when they were out playing golf?
 
You may think you are able to spin fiction into fact. You have not done it on Edmund's that I have read. You have proven you can cut and paste Liberal propaganda with the best of them. It does not look like it is helping the UAW in this current mess. Even Obama Liberal number one is distancing himself from the Big 3 mess & the UAW workers. I don't think the UAW fits into his manifesto.
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Re: Cooter [marsha7] by mikefm58
Dec 01, 2008 (7:44 pm)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 01, 2008 1:23 pm)

American buyers have been deserting Big 3 cars over the last 20 years, and there HAS to be a reason...too many doors that don't fit, too many hoods that do not meet the fenders, too many Pintos and Vegas, and too much junk manufactured well after the years of the Japanese junk...
 
Excellent post. Based on my own personal experiences as well as my friends and families owning Detroit's vehicles over the last 25 years, we all fit in to your example. Simply put, we bought one of the Big 3 when we were in our 20s, maybe one or two more afterward, and they fell apart, literally, as the vehicle aged over 5-7 years and upwards of 100K miles, and were then worthless.
 
Yes, there was the occasional vehicle that held up, but by and large that was the exception. I'll never forget an 85 Old Cutlass Ciera I bought in 88 when it had only 38K miles. I had it for 2 years and averaged $150/month in unexpected repairs over those 2 years, driving down the road,and wham, all accessory belts snap leaving me stranded. That's just one example I'll never forget.
 
I was going to buy some stock in GM since it's so low, but changed my mind as I just can't buy stock in a company whose product I don't believe in.
 
In my family, there are 4 Toyotas and I will never own anything but a Honda or Toyota! I guess I'm a Baaad American!
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So much for buying American products by gagrice
Dec 01, 2008 (8:25 pm)
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This is kind of do as I say, Not as I do for our new Pro Union Prez.
 
Barack Obama to buy rare £20,000 gold ring for his wife to say 'thanks for your support'
 
Michelle Obama is to receive this £20,000 thank you from her husband for her support during the election.
 
The Harmony ring is made of rhodium - the world's most expensive metal --and encrusted with diamonds. It is being hastily made by Italian designer Giovanni Bosco in time for January's inauguration ceremony.
 
The stunning thank you ring is made by top Italian designer Giovanni Bosco, who are based at Valenza Po near Alessandria and who counts a select list of VIPS's and celebrities as his clients.

 
Maybe like carmakers, there are no good jewelers in the USA. Obama is probably picking out his new Mercedes also.
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Re: Cooter [marsha7] by tlong
Dec 01, 2008 (8:48 pm)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 01, 2008 1:23 pm)

They ain't buying American because too many have an image of poor quality that will NOT go away, so it may not be "water under the bridge" for Big 3 buyers, if they were burned multiple times in just the last 10-15 years, let alone the last 25-30...
 
...and THAT'S why a bailout is foolish unless GM in particular is willing to make RADICAL changes in the way it does business. Wagoner and Gettelfinger thinking the work has already been done is laughable.
 
Heck, I'd take Wagoner's job for only $1M per year and I'd still know there was a lot more to do.
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Re: Cooter [mikefm58] by lemko
Dec 02, 2008 (6:57 am)
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Replying to: mikefm58 (Dec 01, 2008 7:44 pm)

Based on my own personal experiences, as well as my friends and families owning Detroit's vehicles over the last 25 years, none of us fit in to your example. We bought several Big 3 vehicles when we were in our 20s, and many more afterward, and they just keep going and going and going like the Energizer bunny. The vehicles are over 20 years old, upwards of 100K miles, and they are still with us.
 
In my family, there are 4 Toyotas and I will never own anything but a Honda or Toyota! I guess I'm a Baaad American!
 
You said it, brother! Keep buying those foreign products and pretty soon you won't own anything.
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Re: DD, Out of touch on so many issues [dallasdude1] by avatexrs1
Dec 02, 2008 (7:20 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 01, 2008 6:33 pm)

Why is it when union workers sign a contract for the highest wages and benefits they can get, they're just representing their members and it's the company's free will to enter into the contract, but when a CEO or other executive does the same thing for his own compensation, he's a greedy bastard who's raping the company?
 
As for the Washington Mutual CEO who pockets millions for a few months of work, more power to him. If you were a senior executive who had his choice of position, would you have taken the WAMU job without a big upfront bonus and severance if the bank was bought? Come to think of it, an executive that can negotiate that deal ought to be Waggoner's replacement at GM to negotiate with the unions and suppliers.
 
"The judicial branch is independent of the executive branch."
 
And by the way, federal prosecutors are in the executive branch and answerable to the Attorney General, who answers to the President. The judicial branch can't prosecute anyone for anything.
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Re: Cooter [lemko] by bumpy
Dec 02, 2008 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 6:57 am)

We bought several Big 3 vehicles when we were in our 20s, and many more afterward, and they just keep going and going and going like the Energizer bunny.
 
The fact that yours didn't fail on you is why you kept buying them. Remember that just about every middle-aged or older person you see driving a foreign nameplate bought a domestic car at some point, suffered as a result, and said "never again".

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