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So many posts since yours, I may not even be responding to your point...but, hey!!! what the heck!!! that never stopped me before....... I am not sure about your "water under the bridge" comment, but I'll give it a shot... I think what I am trying to say is simply that the import "scandals" do not seem to be (perception, again) as numerous as the quality problems with various Big 3 models over the years...this stands out to me because we know autos better than anybody, yet we seem to let quality slip from our grasp over the years...do I have statistics???...none that I can quote, except maybe one... American buyers have been deserting Big 3 cars over the last 20 years, and there HAS to be a reason...too many doors that don't fit, too many hoods that do not meet the fenders, too many Pintos and Vegas, and too much junk manufactured well after the years of the Japanese junk... No one has pointed a gun at buyers collective heads, yet they have deserted Big 3 cars in droves...why is that???...I do not need to quote you statistics from JD Power or whatever...I simply need to point out that a large portion of the buying public has left the Big 3 to switch over to imports, so, regardless of how you respond to ME, it is THEY that have passively moved away from GM, Ford and Chrysler...there has to be a reason... Since the average buyer would not know UAW from the Pilots Union, they are fleeing SOMETHING...and they don't know who runs the companies (until now, of course, but not in the last 30 years) so we know they are not deserting management, and not deserting labor by name...one can only assume they have been burned severely, or multiple times, and felt differently when they sat in an import...they sure didn't switch to Honda and Toyota just because of the colors offered... So, is it water under the bridge???...I maintain that the Big 3 abused so many people over the last 30 years that you are now looking at the last chickens coming home to roost, and they are some mighty big chickens...am I right???...I don't know...but apparently more people are willing to forgive Toy and Honda than are willing to forgive the (probable) junk they bought from Big 3 dealers... Now that they have a ready alternative in the imports, the Big 3 will NEVER regain their lost market share, simply because they aren't enough buyers of CTS and Malibu, and there aren't enough "lemkos" to keep DTS/Lucerne alive... There are many more stories out there of buyers who bought American junk than there are who bought Japanese junk, and the import growing market share, IMO, is the only statistic I need... They ain't buying American because too many have an image of poor quality that will NOT go away, so it may not be "water under the bridge" for Big 3 buyers, if they were burned multiple times in just the last 10-15 years, let alone the last 25-30... |
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 30, 2008 3:52 pm) They are concerned about possible restrictions or taxes on firearms that may be implemented by the incoming Obama administration, not rampages by unemployed UAW members. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 30, 2008 4:29 pm) And yet every survey I've seen gives them excellent scores for reliability. Did the person who told you that Asian cars decompose faster than domestic ones tell you this about the Honda hybrids, too?
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 30, 2008 5:18 pm) Their relationship was so close that Bush ignored Lay's request that the federal government intervene when Enron collapsed, and Lay and several of Enron's top leaders were successfully prosecuted by the federal government during the Bush Administration. Sounds like a real close relationship...
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I certainly have to say that the Ford Truck Video makes an excellent advertisement for the Ford F150. There's a reason the people still buy more of them than any other pickup. If I was buying a full-size pickup, I think I'd buy the F150 over any of the others (that Toyota sure looked bad!). However, as long as we're posting truck videos, here's a video about a Toyota Truck. Let's watch an Asian vehicle decompose! http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Top-Gear-tries-to-destroy_105017.htm Not a comment on the UAW in any way, but a good break from the heat of the debate 
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Replying to: lokki (Dec 01, 2008 5:16 pm) |
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Replying to: lokki (Dec 01, 2008 5:16 pm)  
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 01, 2008 2:23 pm) Yes, there are some recent lights at the end of the tunnel but you can't operate for so long just selling SUV's and PU trucks and completely disregard autos. Regards, OW |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 30, 2008 9:35 pm)  talent and skill Just what does a story about a 3rd rate electronics junk store chain have to do with the mess the UAW has created for the Big 3? If I were Mullaly, I'd have told the senate where to stick their corporate jet comment as well. You act as if the CEO does nothing to earn that salary - unlike the union, there is no leverage they hold over the stockholders head to get that salary, the market pays for guys with their talents and skills, just like a football player. It seems extreme to us, but you'd take it if you could get it, you know you would |
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 01, 2008 5:29 am) WASHINGTON — The CEO of failed Washington Mutual, on the job only a few weeks before the nation's largest thrift was seized by the government and sold to JPMorgan Chase, is entitled to more than $13 million in severance and bonus pay. Alan Fishman signed an agreement that provides around $6 million in cash severance and retention of his signing bonus of $7.5 million if he were to leave his job, according to a company filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008206643_webwamuceopa- y26.html
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