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Replying to: circlew (Dec 01, 2008 4:29 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 01, 2008 6:21 am) It was way more than he was worth, if you look at the net profit at GM. It could also be why he keeps signing onto UAW contracts that are not good for the bottom line. If Congress signs onto a bailout without getting rid of all the Job banks it will be criminal. A company paying those that retired after a long career is a good thing. Paying people to sit and not work is poor management. They also need to raise the age that you can start collecting retirement. Lastly take all control from the Union on modernization of the factories. They NEVER should have had a say in how a company operates. All goes back to worthless management. |
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Something was said somewhere that the UAW and GM had agreed to changes in pay and benefits that would allow a lower labor cost by the end of 2009? Does someone actually know more about that agreement in a way they can explain if and how it remedies some of the perceptions I and others have? |
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 28, 2008 8:36 pm) Best bet is to quit asap while performing at 100 percent. In large companies, one can seek a transfer to another position/department with a new boss if pay is ok and overall company philosophy toward workers is good. Are UAW workers treated poorly or disrespected or are they paid poorly? Some years back, there was some kind of union contract that required that rail companies keep on an extra person in the locomotive to do nothing after the need for the associated position was eliminated by technology.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 28, 2008 9:06 pm) What is a "UAW" product? Where are the facts/data on decomposition? To what extent do UAW employees determine products to be manufactured, designs, engineering and quality of materials and parts used in products?
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From the Philadelphia newspaper: Offering to Support the Unemployed God bless this wonderful woman. There are some things she points out that are very very disturbing. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 28, 2008 9:06 pm) What the..... Are you drinking and writing at 9:06 pm?
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 01, 2008 10:18 am) Thanks for raising the question. I've been wondering the same thing: could dallasdude1 be guilty of PWI (posting while impaired)? |
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So many posts since yours, I may not even be responding to your point...but, hey!!! what the heck!!! that never stopped me before....... I am not sure about your "water under the bridge" comment, but I'll give it a shot... I think what I am trying to say is simply that the import "scandals" do not seem to be (perception, again) as numerous as the quality problems with various Big 3 models over the years...this stands out to me because we know autos better than anybody, yet we seem to let quality slip from our grasp over the years...do I have statistics???...none that I can quote, except maybe one... American buyers have been deserting Big 3 cars over the last 20 years, and there HAS to be a reason...too many doors that don't fit, too many hoods that do not meet the fenders, too many Pintos and Vegas, and too much junk manufactured well after the years of the Japanese junk... No one has pointed a gun at buyers collective heads, yet they have deserted Big 3 cars in droves...why is that???...I do not need to quote you statistics from JD Power or whatever...I simply need to point out that a large portion of the buying public has left the Big 3 to switch over to imports, so, regardless of how you respond to ME, it is THEY that have passively moved away from GM, Ford and Chrysler...there has to be a reason... Since the average buyer would not know UAW from the Pilots Union, they are fleeing SOMETHING...and they don't know who runs the companies (until now, of course, but not in the last 30 years) so we know they are not deserting management, and not deserting labor by name...one can only assume they have been burned severely, or multiple times, and felt differently when they sat in an import...they sure didn't switch to Honda and Toyota just because of the colors offered... So, is it water under the bridge???...I maintain that the Big 3 abused so many people over the last 30 years that you are now looking at the last chickens coming home to roost, and they are some mighty big chickens...am I right???...I don't know...but apparently more people are willing to forgive Toy and Honda than are willing to forgive the (probable) junk they bought from Big 3 dealers... Now that they have a ready alternative in the imports, the Big 3 will NEVER regain their lost market share, simply because they aren't enough buyers of CTS and Malibu, and there aren't enough "lemkos" to keep DTS/Lucerne alive... There are many more stories out there of buyers who bought American junk than there are who bought Japanese junk, and the import growing market share, IMO, is the only statistic I need... They ain't buying American because too many have an image of poor quality that will NOT go away, so it may not be "water under the bridge" for Big 3 buyers, if they were burned multiple times in just the last 10-15 years, let alone the last 25-30... |
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 30, 2008 2:52 pm) They are concerned about possible restrictions or taxes on firearms that may be implemented by the incoming Obama administration, not rampages by unemployed UAW members. |
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