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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 30, 2008 7:52 pm) Just what does a story about a 3rd rate electronics junk store chain have to do with the mess the UAW has created for the Big 3?
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 30, 2008 7:36 pm) Just to stay on the story you have created. The UAW at its peak did not represent 1% of the work force. Somehow you have parlayed that into the greatest middle class in history. If you had said that the UAW had strong armed the weak management at the Big 3 into contracts that would not be sustainable, I would agree. If you made the claim that the UAW workers were the most overpaid in America, I would also agree. Those $118,000 per year fork lift operators are going to have a tough time on $9 an hour at WalMart. I learned negotiating contracts that having the highest paid workers in a field is not always a good place to be. It makes your contract a target. Not always a good position to be in. Pride goeth before a fall. That applies to the UAW and the Big 3 that ain't so big anymore.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 30, 2008 6:26 pm) Count me in! I've lost a lot of my retirement investments and I deserve to be made whole! Otherwise I'd have to work for years longer and we must take care of our retirees! |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 30, 2008 8:35 pm) And he told me I changed my subject on the creation of the middle class by the UAW! 
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 30, 2008 8:50 pm) Gettlefinger today said that the union costs are "now competitive". So I ask why the bailout is needed, and why the D3 can't make a competitive small car if their costs are so competitive? 
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Replying to: tlong (Nov 30, 2008 11:52 pm) If that be true, why can't they bring some of those profits here to see them through the crisis? Why can't they bring those "winning" vehicles here to sell and get back on track while tooling up to build them here? I recently drove a rental Aveo sedan. Didn't care for the roller skate exterior treatment or the tiny wheels/tires but the rest of the vehicle was ok. Pleasantly surprised at the way it drove. Except for its outward appearance, I wouldn't have a problem using it as a short distance commuter, or scoot around town vehicle. Actually kind of fun to "Zip" around locally, especially at the shopping malls and dealing with parking spaces. But there are Asian vehicles such as the Fit, Yaris, Scion, Versa, as well as offerings from South Korea in the same price range, that are already established. It would need to be priced really low to get them on the road. Perception is that if we see a lot of something on the road, it must be good enough to consider buying. Perception is reality.  Ford seems to be on the right track with the new Focus and more expensive Fusion. Kip
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Replying to: nvbanker (Nov 30, 2008 7:40 pm) It's not like any of them is on life support personally. At least until the company makes money, they should sacrifice. Better than getting fired! I agree that the C.E.O. must make a good salary but when the company does not perform for years? Come on now. You would fire him if it was YOUR company, no? Regards, OW |
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Replying to: erikwi (Nov 30, 2008 6:20 pm) |
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 01, 2008 4:29 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 01, 2008 6:21 am) It was way more than he was worth, if you look at the net profit at GM. It could also be why he keeps signing onto UAW contracts that are not good for the bottom line. If Congress signs onto a bailout without getting rid of all the Job banks it will be criminal. A company paying those that retired after a long career is a good thing. Paying people to sit and not work is poor management. They also need to raise the age that you can start collecting retirement. Lastly take all control from the Union on modernization of the factories. They NEVER should have had a say in how a company operates. All goes back to worthless management. |
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