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Re: Myth No. 1 [dallasdude1] by gagrice
Nov 29, 2008 (7:50 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 29, 2008 5:34 pm)

To me if there ever was a good use for capital punishment, this is it. No matter what we do ENRON's have no deterrent. Teaching ethics in the business schools has failed to curb calculated white collar crime. Now we can all feel what it was like to be an ENRON employee or shareholder.
 
Sounds like a good plan to me. Better get it done in TX, most other states have forgotten how. The stockholders need to get organized and stop the theft by those on the top. Toss a few out of the top floor of their Ivory Towers.
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Re: Myth No. 3 [dallasdude1] by kipk
Nov 30, 2008 (5:35 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 29, 2008 10:43 am)

>"Edmunds.com found that the Chevrolet Aveo subcompact is the least expensive car to buy and operate. "
 
I believe the Aveo is actually built 100% by Suzuki.
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The Chevy Aveo is built... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 30, 2008 (7:02 am)
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by GM's South Korean entry called GM Daewoo Auto & Technology Co. Serious work on the Aveo started round about 2002 or so.
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Re: Myth No. 5 [dallasdude1] by dieselone
Nov 30, 2008 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 29, 2008 5:45 pm)

The Titan was geared too low to compete with American trucks. Americans have the need for speed.
 
Have you actually driven one! I won't say the Titan is the best truck on the market; acceleration times aren't what I'd buy a truck or SUV for, but referring that the titan is slow tells me you've never driven one.
 
It will smoke any 5.3 powered chevy or 5.4 powered Ford and it felt a lot stronger than the few 6.0 GM trucks/Suvs I've driven.
 
I have some boating friends that have an Armada and tow a heavier boat than mine, the Armada will dust my previous 5.3 Suburban and my current 5.4 Expedition. The 5.6 5speed combo is unbelievably strong for it's power ratings. Hills my 5.3 powered Suburban struggled to maintain 50mph with my 4500lb boat the Armada would pull 5,500lbs 65 mph w/o a problem. Granted the Nissan truck/suvs have their own issues, power is not one them.
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Re: Myth No. 5 [andre1969] by nvbanker
Nov 30, 2008 (10:29 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 29, 2008 4:37 pm)

I think you're right, andre - but check out how well the Tundra does on the proving ground....
 
http://www.fordvehicles.com/2009f150/?page=/durability/
 
Admittedly, it's a Ford site, but the evidence is pretty irrefutable, the camera doesn't lie. The Japanese just don't quite have the truck thing down yet.
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Re: I'm Confused ROGELIOV [dallasdude1] by circlew
Nov 30, 2008 (10:34 am)
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The point is cash burn is ridiculous at the Det. 3 and there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Sure, Wall Street has it's share of failures but please don't tell me we have a bunch of geniuses running Ford, GM or Chrysler!
 
Since you brought up cash flow, how would you rate these auto giants now? Their model is choking them to death because even with the changes put in place, without those massive profits from SUV and truck sales, cash flow positive will be impossible without HUGE cuts now.
 
How do you think they will be able to pay back $25B? I'll wager in June they need more bailout cash.
 
If I had the final say on help to all 3 auto companies, it would be:
 
NO CASH FOR YOU! NEXT!
 

 
Oh, and I'd fire the C.E.O.s today! What gall Mulally had when asked about considering cuts to his compensation.
 
"No, I'm good!" Wagoner: "I am not prepared to comment."
 
Well, "Your FIRED!"
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: I'm Confused ROGELIOV [circlew] by fezo
Nov 30, 2008 (1:41 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 30, 2008 10:34 am)

Mulally may not have phrased things well but he and Ford genuinely don't need the bailout. They aren't the problem.
 
I will grant you that if the vehicle buying portion of the recession continues more than another year then Ford has big time trouble and they could still get sucked down by a GM bankruptcy. My point is that GM is the big problem and the one that actually needs the cash now.
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Re: Myth No. 1 [dallasdude1] by lemko
Nov 30, 2008 (2:52 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 29, 2008 11:23 am)

I went to a gun show a couple weeks ago. It was so packed, you could hardly move. I had never seen so many people at this particular gun show. Most of the time, you just see the typical hunters, sportsmen, and enthusiasts, but I saw a lot of Mr. Suburban Joe Average types there and a lot more women. There are a lot of scared angry people out there and it's only going to get a lot worse if 3 million unemployed workers are dumped into the unemployment lines and eventually the welfare rolls. What was once a stable employed person who supported his family via a well-paid manufacturing job may soon be the unstable criminal who will rob, steal, and perhaps kill out of desperation. With three million more potential violent criminals on the streets, I don't like the odds.

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