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#5588 of 16667 Re: Dallas [scape2] by carnaught Nov 29, 2008 (2:52 pm)
Replying to: scape2 (Nov 29, 2008 2:13 pm) Perception is now what GM and Ford need to conquer.   Plus more products that people (besides some on this board) want to buy. Replies to this message: fezo (Nov 29, 2008 3:12 pm)
#5589 of 16667 Re: Dallas [carnaught] by fezo Nov 29, 2008 (3:12 pm)
Replying to: carnaught (Nov 29, 2008 2:52 pm) The perception vs. reality thing depends on which vehicle you are talking. I went through this on vans as retold here endlessly.   I will say taht I;d expect anyone buying a Fusion or a Malibu rather than a Camry or Accord will likely be pretty OK with it.
#5590 of 16667 Re: Myth No. 3 [dallasdude1] by tlong Nov 29, 2008 (3:17 pm)
Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 29, 2008 10:43 am) All of the Detroit Three build midsize sedans the Environmental Protection Agency rates at 29-33 miles per gallon on the highway. The most fuel-efficient Chevrolet Malibu gets 33 m.p.g. on the highway, 2 m.p.g. better than the best Honda Accord. The most fuel-efficient Ford Focus has the same highway fuel economy ratings as the most efficient Toyota Corolla. The most fuel-efficient Chevrolet Cobalt has the same city fuel economy and better highway fuel economy than the most efficient non-hybrid Honda Civic.   What about the Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid? How many mpg does the best hybrid get from the D3?   The Cobalt just rated in the bottom of the pack in the latest CU survey of cars that owners would buy again. The Prius and Civic hybrid were at the top. Replies to this message: dallasdude1 (Nov 30, 2008 3:29 pm) dieselone (Nov 30, 2008 4:15 pm) circlew (Nov 30, 2008 4:40 pm) lemko (Nov 30, 2008 4:52 pm) and 1 more... grbeck (Dec 01, 2008 1:37 pm) dallasdude1 (Dec 01, 2008 6:25 pm) and 8 more... dallasdude1 (Nov 30, 2008 4:24 pm) tlong (Nov 30, 2008 4:59 pm) gagrice (Nov 30, 2008 5:53 pm)
#5591 of 16667 Re: Myth No. 5 [dallasdude1] by tlong Nov 29, 2008 (3:18 pm)
Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 29, 2008 10:45 am) The domestic companies' lineup has been truck-heavy, but Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes-Benz and BMW have all spent billions of dollars on pickups and SUVs because trucks are a large and historically profitable part of the auto industry.   So conversely, the D3 should have spent billions on small cars to make them competitive, too!
#5592 of 16667 Re: Myth No. 6 [dallasdude1] by tlong Nov 29, 2008 (3:19 pm)
Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 29, 2008 10:46 am) Ford and GM each now offers more hybrid models than Honda or Nissan, with several more due to hit the road in early 2009   Their hybrids are just not nearly as good, and are much farther from paying for themselves when you factor in their cost spread vs. mileage improvements.
#5593 of 16667 Re: Myth No. 1 [dallasdude1] by tlong Nov 29, 2008 (3:22 pm)
Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 29, 2008 11:23 am) Can you find me a company, other than Walmart, thats not experiencing the wrath of this economy? Surely we are all aware that even the Japanese automakers are offering incentives.   You might have missed the other poster's point. Every company suffering (true) is not the same as going to the government in private jets asking for $25B.
#5594 of 16667 Re: Myth No. 1 [andre1969] by bumpy Nov 29, 2008 (3:31 pm)
Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 29, 2008 11:48 am) 1983 was widely considered one of the bleakest years in automotive history. That year, the domestic industry sold about 5.5 million cars, and of that, GM moved about 3.5 million. Now that's just cars, not trucks.   Well, 1982 was worse, but let's go with '83 since it wasn't much better. GM moved 5.3 million vehicles that year, Ford 2.6, and Chrysler (pre-Jeep) was 1.2 million. Industry total that year was just over 12.1 million. For those keeping track, Toyota was about 714k, Nissan was around 659k, Honda was 401k, VW was 237k, and everyone else had just over a million to share.   The UAW's problem is that it built probably 10 million out of that 12 in 1983, but they'll be lucky to have half that amount this year. Replies to this message: dallasdude1 (Nov 30, 2008 4:30 pm) circlew (Nov 30, 2008 4:47 pm) bumpy (Nov 30, 2008 4:50 pm) jimbres (Nov 30, 2008 6:59 pm) dallasdude1 (Nov 30, 2008 7:54 pm)
#5595 of 16667 Re: UAW product respected overseas [dallasdude1] by nvbanker Nov 29, 2008 (4:21 pm)
Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 28, 2008 8:01 pm) I see nothing wrong with that - perhaps ironic, but I'll sell the Middle East cars all day long if they want them. They've always been fond of Suburbans there.
#5596 of 16667 Re: Myth No. 5 [dallasdude1] by nvbanker Nov 29, 2008 (4:24 pm)
Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 29, 2008 10:45 am) Both Nissan and Toyota have failed at full sized pickups. Toyota's Tundra (I owned an 05) was a great "little" truck, but never quite measured up in size or grunt. Until now, when they finally came out with the Bulldog, at exactly the wrong time. Nissan is giving up on the Titan, which has been trouble prone since inception. Not that it's a bad truck, it's not been up to Nissan dependability standards, or Fords, GM's or Chrysler's either. Replies to this message: andre1969 (Nov 29, 2008 4:37 pm) dallasdude1 (Nov 29, 2008 5:45 pm) dieselone (Nov 30, 2008 8:00 am) and 2 more... nvbanker (Nov 30, 2008 10:29 am)

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