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16663 messages, Last post on Nov 08, 2009 at 9:32 PM
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you took the words right out of my mouth! I was going to post this same article I read in our cities car section that come every Saturday. The jig is up!!! Toyota/Honda no longer own all rights to quality and reliability ratings, and even safety ratings (Ford). This article of "Six myths about the Detroit big 3 automakers refuse to die" is great stuff. This is what needs to come out more from the media. I believe with the internet and the freedom of exchange of information is what forced the media to wake up. I speak from having owned Ford products for the last 15-20 years and not having any major issues. Perception is now what GM and Ford need to conquer.
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Replying to: scape2 (Nov 29, 2008 2:13 pm) Plus more products that people (besides some on this board) want to buy.
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Replying to: carnaught (Nov 29, 2008 2:52 pm) I will say taht I;d expect anyone buying a Fusion or a Malibu rather than a Camry or Accord will likely be pretty OK with it. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 29, 2008 10:43 am) What about the Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid? How many mpg does the best hybrid get from the D3? The Cobalt just rated in the bottom of the pack in the latest CU survey of cars that owners would buy again. The Prius and Civic hybrid were at the top.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 29, 2008 10:45 am) So conversely, the D3 should have spent billions on small cars to make them competitive, too! |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 29, 2008 10:46 am) Their hybrids are just not nearly as good, and are much farther from paying for themselves when you factor in their cost spread vs. mileage improvements. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 29, 2008 11:23 am) You might have missed the other poster's point. Every company suffering (true) is not the same as going to the government in private jets asking for $25B. |
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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 29, 2008 11:48 am) Well, 1982 was worse, but let's go with '83 since it wasn't much better. GM moved 5.3 million vehicles that year, Ford 2.6, and Chrysler (pre-Jeep) was 1.2 million. Industry total that year was just over 12.1 million. For those keeping track, Toyota was about 714k, Nissan was around 659k, Honda was 401k, VW was 237k, and everyone else had just over a million to share. The UAW's problem is that it built probably 10 million out of that 12 in 1983, but they'll be lucky to have half that amount this year. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 28, 2008 8:01 pm) |
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