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Replying to: lemko (Nov 26, 2008 6:23 am) Lemko, I think you have point. In college I had a Chinese and a Korean roommate (both immigrated to US). Neither had much good to say about Japanese and both drove domestic cars, one a Camaro and the latter a ratted out Cavalier. One thing that I took away from that experience was how determined they both were. While I took my studies seriously, I did blow off steam on the weekends, not those two, if they were awake, they were studying.
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 26, 2008 6:31 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 25, 2008 5:59 pm)
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We are approaching a place where, if you don't have a college education, then you have no rights to a job. I find that horrible, because America wasn't built, founded or discovered by college-educated people. While I understand the position regarding every person's ability to get a job that will allow financial growth, it fails to understand that evolving changes in the workforce require changes in educational requirements to get them. America is not the same country today as is was for its founders in the 18th century. Manual labor via agriculture or manufacturing was the driving force for the old economy. Today, the advent of technology and virtually no manufacturing jobs left in the States require "college-level" education and a paradigm shift in thinking just to be competetive in jobs that call for specialized training. While compassion should be the order while handling those who have lost well-paying manufacturing jobs, others need to be very realistic concerning earnings expectations. One simply cannot expect for any employer to pay a population of people that, more often than not, no longer have marketable skills and little education beyond high school. Yes, there are some success stories, but those numbers are minute given the pervasive problem of high unemployment, low education, crime, age, and health problems among too many others in that situation.
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 26, 2008 11:45 am) First off, 6.5% unemployment is not high. The late 1970s and early 80s was sometimes over 9%. We have millions of illegals taking jobs for cash that could be done by US citizens. If they were willing. These jobs many are in construction. Try to find a good carpenter when the housing boom was going full tilt up to last year. Many here like to denigrate the many working for minimum wage or a bit more at places like WalMart. I can tell you if that stupid sign a union card bill passes and companies like WalMart get nailed, you will see some serious layoffs. There is no way WalMart can justify paying some 75 year old $10 an hour to say hi as you walk through the door. Or that handicapped person flattening boxes on the loading dock. With the stock market crash many elderly folks will be looking for a job this Christmas to pay their utility bills. Two of my retired neighbors are living from their deflated 401ks. The UAW workers are just one of a handful of Unions that still offer a fancy retirement with health benefits. Is it worth it to the UAW to lose the last of their jobs, to greedily hang on to what they have? |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 26, 2008 12:28 pm) Obviously things aren't good right now and very well may get much worse before we see improvements, but I personally don't know anyone who's received pink a slip lately. During the early 80's, I was a young kid, but remember several family friends and relatives being laid off. My BIL got let go from his construction project manager job in Florida, but he found a better job within 2 mos earlier this year. Hadn't heard much about it, but today on CNBC some guy said the economy today employs double the amount that the economy employed in the early 80's. Interesting.
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 26, 2008 12:51 pm) What's usually left unsaid is how many people aren't counted because they have quit looking or because they are underemployed. "If the autoworkers worked for no salary at all, it would cut just 5 percent off the cost of their cars." Smart Ways to a Bailout -- Step 1: Stop Demonizing the UAW In case you missed it, the dealers and suppliers are knocking on DC's door along with the autoworkers: 'The Engine of Democracy' Coalition to Send Workers From 50 States to Washington to Support Auto Bridge Loans
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 26, 2008 1:05 pm) Rank Country GDP 1 United States $11,750,000,000,000 2 China $7,262,000,000,000 3 Japan $3,745,000,000,000 4 India $3,319,000,000,000 5 Germany $2,362,000,000,000 6 United Kingdom $1,782,000,000,000 7 France $1,737,000,000,000 8 Italy $1,609,000,000,000 9 Brazil $1,492,000,000,000 10 Russia $1,408,000,000,000 11 Canada $1,023,000,000,000 12 Mexico $1,006,000,000,000 13 Spain $937,600,000,000 14 Korea, South $925,100,000,000 15 Indonesia $827,400,000,000 |
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Replying to: nvbanker (Nov 26, 2008 11:02 am) What happens if the EFCA goes through, and Japanese plants unionize, and the UAW says pay us the going (Big 3) rate or we strike?? Only a theory, and That'll never happen isn't an answer. |
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Replying to: grbeck (Nov 25, 2008 7:52 am) >That only proves that if GM loads a vehicle with a lot of incentives, it can get rid of leftover models. If the CTS really were selling out, there wouldn't have been any leftover 2008 models to sell, and no need for GM to offer employee pricing. Which also proves MY point that if GM sells Cadillac Quality at Chevy prices, they can and will get a ton of customers. You cannot sell a Chevy Malibu at prices comparable to an accord to get customers coming back. |
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