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Replying to: xrunner2 (Nov 25, 2008 9:12 am) |
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I am the first to advocate that contracts should be written in English...usually makes them shorter and easier for clients to understand...saves ME the time to explain each and every word to them 3 times (  ) and they STILL don't understand it...legalese contracts, IMO, are simply a memorial to a lawyer's ego... On the reco of a previous poster of weeks ago, I just read John DeLorean's "On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors"...not only was it on point in 1979, if it was released today, you would think he write it last month...with one exception...he has a nicer attitude toward the UAW than I do, but they had not gotten out of hand in 1979, whereas now they should be, and will be, disbanded...if a bailout does not cause it, the market will...they can make all the "green" vehicles they want...if no one buys them, they will simply die on the vine...even lemko cannot buy enough Caddys to keep them alive...  Also, good luck to rocky on his Saturn job...I hope it works out so you will stay current on your alimony and child support...
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Replying to: marsha7 (Nov 25, 2008 10:36 am) If anything, the union was probably more militant in the 1970s that it is today. The UAW strike against GM in 1970 was long, bitter and settled in the union's favor...of course, in the long run, the union paid a price for that victory, as a few of today's problems stem from what the union won in 1970. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 24, 2008 8:13 pm) It was UAW wages which paid the $1000 a month private prep school. That open up the doors and scholarships. Besides chemE is a difficult discipline and in high demand. He is an exception and not the norm. A large percentage of grads live at home after graduation as we were informed during freshman orientation. We rather he took less to start and stay close to home.
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Replying to: grbeck (Nov 25, 2008 7:52 am) Always a marketing ploy. Zero percent, employee pricing, red tags sale, and rebates are used to empty the dealers inventory of the prior years models. If you look at employee/supplier pricing, you see that its done in regions. Some regions don't fare as well as others. A smart man would wait for this time of the year to buy or lease. I was amazed at the percentage of new cars which are leased/smart buy leased. The Infinity dealer outright told me the 70% to 80% of their cars are leased. That was in Plano, Texas which is rather well to do suburb, Fact is that Plano has more Hummers per capita than any other city. Then Sewell Cadillac also claims most of the inventory is leased. Sure you can either drive a better car by leasing or you can make lower payments on the car you intended to buy, by leasing it. So is leasing for if you can't afford the payments or for upgrading with the same payment? As gas prices went up the residual on those SUV's took a beating in that the high fuel price wasn't factored into the future value/residual. A very costly miscalculation by those lenders. One last note on lease returns. A CTS with the small six (not the 3.6) are all over the used car lots. Only an ignorant person would pay more than $15,000 for one. They are pricing them at $20,000 to bait fools. |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Nov 25, 2008 10:36 am) First you have wording and then you have intent, which is only truly known by the parties at negotiations. Countless letters of agreement come into play as both parties seek clarification and or to amend. I have read many collective bargaining agreement which were more simplistic than lets say a golden chute CEO's contract/agreement. The real problems lie with the grandfather clauses within different unions, retirees, exempt /non exempt, and other special circumstances. The Big Three have a master agreement and past practice agreements for different plants. It doesn't get any more simple. Perhaps its easier to explain like this, you consolidate, buy a business unit, or add a plant. You first seek the economies of scale. One accounting dept, one benefits dept, and one of anything redundant. You negotiate these and have labor agree to do payroll/direct deposit from a centralize location. This centralize location must now know how to handle benefits for retirees from many plants and the contract amount which these folks retired upon and entitled medical benefits prevailing at the time of their retirement. All those redundant employees which were no longer needed because of the economies of scale and therefore terminated, took a wealth of knowledge with them. All this has nothing to do with the union, but rather the merger and occurs in union and non union situations. No different than no one taking the time to prepare for the year 2000 and then looking for patches. |
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Replying to: bumpy (Nov 25, 2008 8:17 am) That's what I figured. There seems to be a conspiracy theory out there that they only produce 50% because they don't want to employ US workers. If you go from 100% production in Japan say, 20 years ago, you of course focus on your highest volume vehicles first. It's expensive to build plants. Toyota's latest foray was the truck plant in TX, and we know that has bitten them, as it has all large vehicle manufacturers. Your post points out that the next most voluminous vehicles are coming next. First people complain about the Japanese makes manufacturing in this country, then 20 years later they say they're stilly trying to keep the import levels high when companies like Toyota are at 50% of their US volume made here! They can't win over the skeptics no matter what they do.... |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 24, 2008 6:36 pm) They intend to keep a manufacturing base. Employees for life. They want their own to be superior. They educate them and their families. Its a family business. You would not even believe what they think of non Japanese. I've seen it first hand. There is a Mazak plant near Ohio, but actually in Florance KY. This is the largest machine tool company in the world and they own it. China is getting a plant too, since they are the biggest customer. The plant in Japan enjoys three times the pay, for Japanese only. Outsiders are scum and to be used like non family.
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Replying to: nortsr1 (Nov 25, 2008 5:11 am) Back in the 80's they were only allowed to import no more than 1 million vehicles per year. Since the demand was higher we (US) allowed them to build factories here and sell more vehicles. And the rest like they say is history.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 25, 2008 7:40 pm)
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