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Re: Only second-rate countries... [bumpy] by 62vetteefp
Nov 24, 2008 (6:36 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (Nov 24, 2008 2:54 pm)

"However if it makes so much sense to build here why does Toyota still import 50% of their vehicles from outside of NA?
  
Same reason GM doesn't have a Corvette factory in Europe or an Enclave factory in China."
 
Not sure your answer really answers the question. Why does Toyota still import only 50% of all their vehicles? If it was so much cheaper they could just increase plant capacity by going to 3 shifts here in the states.
 
I doubt GM would ever build a low volume vette in a different country. This would mean having double the tooling. Ah, perhaps that is why the Lexus's are imported since they are low volume and have little in common with the Toyota models (other than the ES). Still I believe they are importing quite a few Camrys and Corrollas?
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [jimbres] by dallasdude1
Nov 24, 2008 (6:37 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 24, 2008 2:53 pm)

I just don't see too much demand in the near future. In the long run this may change. Most plants are running one shift, with few exceptions.
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [roadburner] by dallasdude1
Nov 24, 2008 (6:51 pm)
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Replying to: roadburner (Nov 24, 2008 3:22 pm)

I will not buy my kids anything extravagant regarding their first car
 
If you have the means, get them a new sports car. Why do you want the headache of fixing old junk. My oldest went to a private prep school and his 2002 Z28 wasn't exactly the best car on the high school parking lot. He did his school work and earned a full scholarship, which included room and board. He will be a chemical engineer before the summer. He has already gotten offers as high as $80,000 a year to start.
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [dallasdude1] by gagrice
Nov 24, 2008 (8:13 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 24, 2008 6:51 pm)

He has already gotten offers as high as $80,000 a year to start.
 
Not too bad for a Non-Union Job. There is life after the UAW is put out of its misery.
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [62vetteefp] by tlong
Nov 24, 2008 (10:08 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 24, 2008 6:36 pm)

Not sure your answer really answers the question. Why does Toyota still import only 50% of all their vehicles? If it was so much cheaper they could just increase plant capacity by going to 3 shifts here in the states.
 
I'd guess that they have models not set up to be produced in the US (I think the CRV is one of them, but not sure). Aren't they working on setting up a plant to produce Priuses in the US?
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [62vetteefp] by imidazol97
Nov 25, 2008 (5:06 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 24, 2008 6:36 pm)

>Not sure your answer really answers the question. Why does Toyota still import only 50% of all their vehicles? If it was so much cheaper they could just increase plant capacity by going to 3 shifts here in the states.
 
That's a good point. Looking at it on a micro scale, more production here would mean more employees. That could lead to wage pressures in areas where plants are located trying to employee more workers on a part time basis or even as full time. That might even lead to unionization by the UAW.
 
Also more production here would mean less money going back to the motherland. The reality is they are still Japanese companies and the money still goes home flowing through suppliers set up here or other routes.
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [tlong] by nortsr1
Nov 25, 2008 (5:11 am)
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Replying to: tlong (Nov 24, 2008 10:08 pm)

I firmly believe they build in Japan (rather than here) because the fact is that they need to keep their empoyment rate as high as they can. They certainly don't need LESS people working. (Too bad we don't think that way...
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [circlew] by lemko
Nov 25, 2008 (5:43 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 24, 2008 2:20 pm)

Not to mention a good supply of imported vehicles if those pictures of the Long Beach docks are any indication.
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How were the 1990s good for Labor???? by gagrice
Nov 25, 2008 (5:47 am)
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Jack Smith took over GM in 1992 and left in 2000. During that time GM dumped 49% of their employees. I would say that is less than a prosperous time for the UAW.
 
The prosperity of the '90s helped keep GM solidly profitable until the end of the decade, although it never reached Smith's target of a 5% net profit margin. He also kept shrinking the company (helped greatly by the spinoff of the Delphi parts-making unit). Total employment, which stood at 757,500 when Smith took over, had fallen to 388,000 by the time he left office. But Smith's elfin charm wasn't enough to stop warring factions among engineering, manufacturing, and design from undermining one another's work.
 
And Smith failed to address such looming problems as why GM still had divisions like Pontiac, Buick, and Oldsmobile. With its market share down to 30% and falling, it didn't need all those brands, and ensuring that each model was distinctive remained a constant headache. The problem of "look-alike cars," brilliantly revealed in a memorable 1985 Fortune cover photograph, continued to bedevil GM.

 
A prosperity built on gas guzzling SUVs and big PU trucks.
 
From a very good article on the demise of a once successful automaker.
 
Death of GM
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Re: The Catera Project [dallasdude1] by grbeck
Nov 25, 2008 (7:52 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 24, 2008 6:27 pm)

dallasdude: During employee pricing weekend all of the 08 CTS's were sold
 
That only proves that if GM loads a vehicle with a lot of incentives, it can get rid of leftover models. If the CTS really were selling out, there wouldn't have been any leftover 2008 models to sell, and no need for GM to offer employee pricing.

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