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Re: Only second-rate countries... [62vetteefp] by circlew
Nov 24, 2008 (2:20 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 24, 2008 12:32 pm)

You may be right but at the present level of sales here in the U.S and the inventory already built, there would be at least 2-3 months of domestic vehicles to meet supply even if all plants close, which I think will never happen.
 
I realize it takes time to start-up a plant but if the reorg is done correctly, only the models that are selling need to be built. If you consider the nameplates of all 3, I would imagine there would be some models that would continue no matter what plan is approved. The problem is transitioning to smaller cars people will buy and the Government will mandate.
 
This is where decisions need to be made to stop production on a good number of nameplates that will not be in U.S. Auto Future!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [62vetteefp] by jimbres
Nov 24, 2008 (2:53 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 24, 2008 12:32 pm)

With union labor in Japan costing more than U.S. non-union labor, & factoring in the cost of shipping vehicles from the Japanese Home Islands to North American markets, it would make more sense to eliminate excess capacity by shutting down Japanese plants. If the current recession turns out to be a long one, I'd expect to see that happen.
 
I'd also expect to see Lexus vehicles built in & shipped from Japan for several years to come. Call 'em unpatriotic if you want, but U.S. Lexus buyers want to see "Made in Japan" on their cars, even though Toyota's North American plants could probably turn out cars of equal quality. In this respect, they're just like American buyers who avoid cars built in BMW's South African plant & insist on German-made cars.
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [62vetteefp] by bumpy
Nov 24, 2008 (2:54 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 24, 2008 12:32 pm)

However if it makes so much sense to build here why does Toyota still import 50% of their vehicles from outside of NA?
 
Same reason GM doesn't have a Corvette factory in Europe or an Enclave factory in China.
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [dieselone] by roadburner
Nov 24, 2008 (3:22 pm)
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 24, 2008 7:21 am)

I will not buy my kids anything extravagant regarding their first car, I can see buying them something that is reliable and safe. The work restrictions on school age kids are to the point that it is almost impossible for them to if they are involved in a lot of after school activities. I'd say something like a 2-3 year old Focus/Cobalt or a used domestic midsize car can be had cheap enough for the kids to use.
 
My plan is to first make sure my son knows how to drive- think Street Survival and the BMW Performance Driving School. Then, if he has a job and needs a car for work or after school sports I'll HELP him buy a safe slug such as a Volvo 240 or maybe even an elderly 5er. If he goes a year without any at-fault accidents or tickets THEN we'll discuss a cooler ride. At 14 he's already saying he wants my Club Sport when he turns 16. I think not. Maybe the 2002, but not the Club Sport.
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Re: The Catera Project [grbeck] by dallasdude1
Nov 24, 2008 (6:27 pm)
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Replying to: grbeck (Nov 24, 2008 11:31 am)

Market Conditions
This vehicle is selling at a reasonable pace; supply and demand are pretty well matched. The price reflects a fair price for both sides of the transaction, given good availability of the product.
Kelly Blue Book on the 2009 CTS

 
During employee pricing weekend all of the 08 CTS's were sold
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [bumpy] by 62vetteefp
Nov 24, 2008 (6:36 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (Nov 24, 2008 2:54 pm)

"However if it makes so much sense to build here why does Toyota still import 50% of their vehicles from outside of NA?
  
Same reason GM doesn't have a Corvette factory in Europe or an Enclave factory in China."
 
Not sure your answer really answers the question. Why does Toyota still import only 50% of all their vehicles? If it was so much cheaper they could just increase plant capacity by going to 3 shifts here in the states.
 
I doubt GM would ever build a low volume vette in a different country. This would mean having double the tooling. Ah, perhaps that is why the Lexus's are imported since they are low volume and have little in common with the Toyota models (other than the ES). Still I believe they are importing quite a few Camrys and Corrollas?
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [jimbres] by dallasdude1
Nov 24, 2008 (6:37 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 24, 2008 2:53 pm)

I just don't see too much demand in the near future. In the long run this may change. Most plants are running one shift, with few exceptions.
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [roadburner] by dallasdude1
Nov 24, 2008 (6:51 pm)
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Replying to: roadburner (Nov 24, 2008 3:22 pm)

I will not buy my kids anything extravagant regarding their first car
 
If you have the means, get them a new sports car. Why do you want the headache of fixing old junk. My oldest went to a private prep school and his 2002 Z28 wasn't exactly the best car on the high school parking lot. He did his school work and earned a full scholarship, which included room and board. He will be a chemical engineer before the summer. He has already gotten offers as high as $80,000 a year to start.
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [dallasdude1] by gagrice
Nov 24, 2008 (8:13 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 24, 2008 6:51 pm)

He has already gotten offers as high as $80,000 a year to start.
 
Not too bad for a Non-Union Job. There is life after the UAW is put out of its misery.
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [62vetteefp] by tlong
Nov 24, 2008 (10:08 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 24, 2008 6:36 pm)

Not sure your answer really answers the question. Why does Toyota still import only 50% of all their vehicles? If it was so much cheaper they could just increase plant capacity by going to 3 shifts here in the states.
 
I'd guess that they have models not set up to be produced in the US (I think the CRV is one of them, but not sure). Aren't they working on setting up a plant to produce Priuses in the US?

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