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but it's too small and limited to compete with all but the 3 and maybe 5 series. The STS is a failure, as it's not enough different or larger than the 3 to make a good 5 or 7 competitor, and the DeVille, my personal favorite Cadillac, is a great car, but not even the same style as a BMW. I fear that Cadillac is in danger of becoming a good niche car only, if they can't diversify their product line better - instead, they are contracting it. |
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 21, 2008 3:36 pm) You've made this statement before, but it makes no business sense. Consider Honda, for example, which has been building cars here for almost 25 years." Hopefully we will never have to find out. IF the suppliers do shut down in the US for up to one year(as reported by independent think tanks) everyone who can will import every vehicle they can sell. If anyone thinks otherwise I would like to hear why. Sure overall sales may plummet but if they can sell them they will import them. Remember Japan has been in the dumps longer than us and there is all kinds of unused capacity over there. However if it makes so much sense to build here why does Toyota still import 50% of their vehicles from outside of NA? Yes, I can see them building here in the US vehicles they only sell here (trucks) but they import probably 65% of their cars. Why not run 3 shifts here and really get the plant productivity up? Actually it would take awhile to get all the production over there because they do not have the capacity there to supply normal US production.
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 24, 2008 12:32 pm) I realize it takes time to start-up a plant but if the reorg is done correctly, only the models that are selling need to be built. If you consider the nameplates of all 3, I would imagine there would be some models that would continue no matter what plan is approved. The problem is transitioning to smaller cars people will buy and the Government will mandate. This is where decisions need to be made to stop production on a good number of nameplates that will not be in U.S. Auto Future! Regards, OW
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 24, 2008 12:32 pm) I'd also expect to see Lexus vehicles built in & shipped from Japan for several years to come. Call 'em unpatriotic if you want, but U.S. Lexus buyers want to see "Made in Japan" on their cars, even though Toyota's North American plants could probably turn out cars of equal quality. In this respect, they're just like American buyers who avoid cars built in BMW's South African plant & insist on German-made cars.
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 24, 2008 12:32 pm) Same reason GM doesn't have a Corvette factory in Europe or an Enclave factory in China.
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 24, 2008 7:21 am) My plan is to first make sure my son knows how to drive- think Street Survival and the BMW Performance Driving School. Then, if he has a job and needs a car for work or after school sports I'll HELP him buy a safe slug such as a Volvo 240 or maybe even an elderly 5er. If he goes a year without any at-fault accidents or tickets THEN we'll discuss a cooler ride. At 14 he's already saying he wants my Club Sport when he turns 16. I think not. Maybe the 2002, but not the Club Sport.
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Replying to: grbeck (Nov 24, 2008 11:31 am) This vehicle is selling at a reasonable pace; supply and demand are pretty well matched. The price reflects a fair price for both sides of the transaction, given good availability of the product. Kelly Blue Book on the 2009 CTS During employee pricing weekend all of the 08 CTS's were sold
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Replying to: bumpy (Nov 24, 2008 2:54 pm) Same reason GM doesn't have a Corvette factory in Europe or an Enclave factory in China." Not sure your answer really answers the question. Why does Toyota still import only 50% of all their vehicles? If it was so much cheaper they could just increase plant capacity by going to 3 shifts here in the states. I doubt GM would ever build a low volume vette in a different country. This would mean having double the tooling. Ah, perhaps that is why the Lexus's are imported since they are low volume and have little in common with the Toyota models (other than the ES). Still I believe they are importing quite a few Camrys and Corrollas? |
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 24, 2008 2:53 pm) |
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Replying to: roadburner (Nov 24, 2008 3:22 pm) If you have the means, get them a new sports car. Why do you want the headache of fixing old junk. My oldest went to a private prep school and his 2002 Z28 wasn't exactly the best car on the high school parking lot. He did his school work and earned a full scholarship, which included room and board. He will be a chemical engineer before the summer. He has already gotten offers as high as $80,000 a year to start.
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