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Re: Only second-rate countries... [dallasdude1] by lemko
Nov 24, 2008 (5:46 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 20, 2008 10:07 pm)

Buy her 16 year-old daughter a Mercedes? Shoot, kids certainly are spoiled these days! Heck, I saved my money from my meager paychecks and bought a 13 year-old 1968 Buick Special Deluxe for $650 when I was 16. It turned out to be a really great car as it was still running eleven years later.
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [fintail] by lemko
Nov 24, 2008 (5:53 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Nov 21, 2008 11:57 am)

Maybe he meant the Z4 roadster? My friend bought one a couple years back and let me drive it. It was pretty brave of him 'cause I don't know how to drive stick! I started to get the hang of it after stalling the car twice.
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [lemko] by gagrice
Nov 24, 2008 (6:05 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 24, 2008 5:46 am)

Mine was a 13 year old 1947 Pontiac convertible for $60. The rag top was a rag that leaked like a sieve. And I saved money from mowing lawns for mine at 17. There is something decadent about buying a child a car. My experience is they really do not appreciate what you have done for them.
 
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I would bet it was ALL made in the USA by UAW workers.
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [gagrice] by dieselone
Nov 24, 2008 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 24, 2008 6:05 am)

There is something decadent about buying a child a car. My experience is they really do not appreciate what you have done for them.
 
I will not buy my kids anything extravagant regarding their first car, I can see buying them something that is reliable and safe. The work restrictions on school age kids are to the point that it is almost impossible for them to if they are involved in a lot of after school activities. I'd say something like a 2-3 year old Focus/Cobalt or a used domestic midsize car can be had cheap enough for the kids to use.
 
I got my drivers license in '87 and my grandpa gave me his '75 Buick Regal with a 130k on it for my first car. I drove it until i saved enough money to buy three year old Escort by working at a grocery store.
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [dieselone] by fezo
Nov 24, 2008 (7:43 am)
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 24, 2008 7:21 am)

I bought my then 17 year old daughter a 99 Camry two years ago. I'd have gone older but liked the safety features that were there by 99 - particularly the dual air bags.
 
Absolutely correct that she doesn't appreciate the extent of that favor.
 
Daughter number tow is now on her permit. Back in April I bough myself a Celica convertible as a cheap toy for myself making us a four car three driver family for a while. I told my daughter that she and I can split the van and the Celica with her mostly getting the van. She's thrilled with that. Good kid.
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Re: The Catera Project [dallasdude1] by grbeck
Nov 24, 2008 (11:31 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 22, 2008 9:26 am)

dallasdude: Given that most German companies are union represented as is Opel in Germany. The car has been redone today CTS (Catera Touring Sedan) and can't keep up with demand in these trying times. Then its a UAW built car from Michigan.
 
As of mid-November, dealers had a 102-day supply of the CTS at the current sales rate (60 days of supply is considered optimal). It appears as though demand has been met.
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The CTS is good...... by nvbanker
Nov 24, 2008 (11:40 am)
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but it's too small and limited to compete with all but the 3 and maybe 5 series. The STS is a failure, as it's not enough different or larger than the 3 to make a good 5 or 7 competitor, and the DeVille, my personal favorite Cadillac, is a great car, but not even the same style as a BMW.
 
I fear that Cadillac is in danger of becoming a good niche car only, if they can't diversify their product line better - instead, they are contracting it.
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [jimbres] by 62vetteefp
Nov 24, 2008 (12:32 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 21, 2008 3:36 pm)

"And in my extra opinion the day the US plants shut down the importers will just start importing vehicles from overseas because they have their own suppliers (negligible exports from US). The plants here will probably stay shut for years keeping the home plants in business. There will be no real reason to build vehicles in the US unless the dollar ratio makes it more economical.
  
You've made this statement before, but it makes no business sense. Consider Honda, for example, which has been building cars here for almost 25 years."
 
Hopefully we will never have to find out. IF the suppliers do shut down in the US for up to one year(as reported by independent think tanks) everyone who can will import every vehicle they can sell. If anyone thinks otherwise I would like to hear why. Sure overall sales may plummet but if they can sell them they will import them. Remember Japan has been in the dumps longer than us and there is all kinds of unused capacity over there.
 
However if it makes so much sense to build here why does Toyota still import 50% of their vehicles from outside of NA? Yes, I can see them building here in the US vehicles they only sell here (trucks) but they import probably 65% of their cars. Why not run 3 shifts here and really get the plant productivity up?
 
Actually it would take awhile to get all the production over there because they do not have the capacity there to supply normal US production.
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [62vetteefp] by circlew
Nov 24, 2008 (2:20 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 24, 2008 12:32 pm)

You may be right but at the present level of sales here in the U.S and the inventory already built, there would be at least 2-3 months of domestic vehicles to meet supply even if all plants close, which I think will never happen.
 
I realize it takes time to start-up a plant but if the reorg is done correctly, only the models that are selling need to be built. If you consider the nameplates of all 3, I would imagine there would be some models that would continue no matter what plan is approved. The problem is transitioning to smaller cars people will buy and the Government will mandate.
 
This is where decisions need to be made to stop production on a good number of nameplates that will not be in U.S. Auto Future!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Only second-rate countries... [62vetteefp] by jimbres
Nov 24, 2008 (2:53 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 24, 2008 12:32 pm)

With union labor in Japan costing more than U.S. non-union labor, & factoring in the cost of shipping vehicles from the Japanese Home Islands to North American markets, it would make more sense to eliminate excess capacity by shutting down Japanese plants. If the current recession turns out to be a long one, I'd expect to see that happen.
 
I'd also expect to see Lexus vehicles built in & shipped from Japan for several years to come. Call 'em unpatriotic if you want, but U.S. Lexus buyers want to see "Made in Japan" on their cars, even though Toyota's North American plants could probably turn out cars of equal quality. In this respect, they're just like American buyers who avoid cars built in BMW's South African plant & insist on German-made cars.

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