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Re: A different kind of car company [dallasdude1] by tlong
Nov 22, 2008 (12:51 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 22, 2008 9:09 am)

So does anyone have anything to say about the Saturn project. The Tennessee experiment in which labor(UAW) and management would partner up to beat out the Japanese car companies. They started out with a worthwhile goal, but the end result questions if eastern ideology can ever transition into the western culture.
 
Given that Saturn is now a set of rebadges except for an imported Opel, I'd say the experiment is a failure and there is no need for Saturn.
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Re: The Catera Project [jimbres] by nvbanker
Nov 22, 2008 (3:15 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 22, 2008 10:18 am)

So let me ask you - what does Cadillac offer you to replace a 7-Series?
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Re: Back in the good days when the UAW was strong [gagrice] by dallasdude1
Nov 22, 2008 (7:42 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 22, 2008 11:16 am)

I hate to break up your illusion. Maybe you read too many rags to riches Alger's novels. Major shareholders elect their friends and families into boards of directors, They exchange votes and wheel and deal from company to company. Its very common for someone to be a CEO at one company and on the board at a few others. Majority shareholders decide at country clubs and golf courses. This is part of being the leisure class/idle rich. Most CEO's are rarely seen going to work once in any given month. I've seen $15,000 in greens fees racked up in one year, billed to the company of course.
 
Columbia and Harvard are extremely hard to get into. However, the legacy is alive and well. An endowment will do wonders also to by pass merit. A reverse of affirmative action. Prescott Bush might have been brilliant, but his genetic traits didn't carry down to his offspring two generations away.
 
Science and political science are two different disciplines. One is open to many and the other is limited to few. Country Club/golf course gathering has only held mankind down in the wheeling dealing/nepotism/cronyism where inbred mongoloids champion their own agenda of promoting their incompetent offspring. Lobbying for the unworthy friends and offspring of the well to do bypasses the competitive system and dooms us to failure.
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Re: The Catera Project [nvbanker] by dallasdude1
Nov 22, 2008 (7:50 pm)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Nov 22, 2008 3:15 pm)

So let me ask you - what does Cadillac offer you to replace a 7-Series?
 
Does it come with a 6 and an 8? Do the rear seats have electric controls? Does it have a first aid kit? Would Lady Di have survived the wreck in it?
 
Face it you can buy two Caddy's for the price. Its rather just plain looking and would only appeal to older folks.
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Re: Back in the good days when the UAW was strong [dallasdude1] by gagrice
Nov 22, 2008 (7:52 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 22, 2008 7:42 pm)

They exchange votes and wheel and deal from company to company. Its very common for someone to be a CEO at one company and on the board at a few others.
 
If it is my illusion it is also yours. That is exactly what I said. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. Something the SEC should be able to control.
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Re: one more time [steve_] by dallasdude1
Nov 22, 2008 (8:00 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 22, 2008 8:08 am)

Steve maybe its time to get the UAW conscience committee to visit these folks? I have a feeling that someones life supports system are going to be shut down.
 
IUI /A\ \W/
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Re: Back in the good days when the UAW was strong [gagrice] by dallasdude1
Nov 22, 2008 (8:06 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 22, 2008 7:52 pm)

SEC deals with insider information, after hours trading, and illegal stuff. If you proxy me your 10 million votes to do with as I please, whats illegal? One share equals one vote and as little a 20% of the shares give you power to install your folks. Its as democratic as it gets.
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Re: Back in the good days when the UAW was strong [dallasdude1] by gagrice
Nov 22, 2008 (8:16 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 22, 2008 8:06 pm)

There are many things that are legal that have led to the current lopsided compensation for executives. I still do not understand how the board let Ovitz walk away with $140 million. I understand contracts are legal and binding. It is still something the Government could address. Cut over bearing corporate taxes and raise individual taxes above a million. That does not solve the stock options. Though that at least has some bearing on the health of the company. It would be ironic if Wagoner had all his assets tied up in GM common stock.
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Re: Back in the good days when the UAW was strong [gagrice] by dallasdude1
Nov 22, 2008 (11:16 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 22, 2008 8:16 pm)

That does not solve the stock options.
 
Stock options are a good thing. Let say that the stock price is $10 a share at the beginning of the year and the CEO manages to increase the value to $100 at the end of the year. He buys all the shares he was allowed at $10 at years end and profits $90 a share and all of the shareholders stock has risen to $100 and that incentive was well worth it. However, if the stock was worth $5 a share at year end, that CEO would not exercise the stock options.
 
My main point is that these folks operating these companies are not the cream of the crop, but rather the bottom of the barrel. Many schools have 70% of the student body doing a business major and while some are managers at Payless Shoes, some go on to operate large corporations. When an ENRON occurs it affect many lives all because moral corruption, ethical bankruptcy, and lack of character by upper management. Just what is a CEO's justification for compensation beyond the average Americans rational comprehension?
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Re: The Catera Project [nvbanker] by jimbres
Nov 23, 2008 (5:14 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Nov 22, 2008 3:15 pm)

No 7 here. Mine is a 3 with sport package & stick.
 
I figure that if Cadillac went to the trouble to build a RWD sedan that can actually be had with a stick, then the least I can do is include it in my evaluation process. It doesn't hurt Cadillac's chances that the CTS is, in my eyes, a real looker.

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