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Replying to: tlong (Nov 21, 2008 11:01 pm) Completely agree and the shy arrogance that came across from Wagoner proves he is not prepared for huge change. Congress must demand massive change. With Obama in back of a Prepackaged Bankruptcy, it's seems more possible that needed change will be enough. Just loaning them the money is like giving Mike Tyson another $50M to play with!!  Regards, OW |
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TBird-SC and the Turbo Coupe from the late 80's. A few years from 1989 through the 1990s I would rent those T-Birds from Hertz the 3 weeks I was off from my schedule in Alaska. I cruised all over the country in them. The small engine version would get 30 MPG out on the highway. I stopped using Hertz when they quit building that model. Three weeks in an ugly Taurus and I swore off on Ford and Hertz for good. I would rent the recent version of Mustang if they were not so high priced rentals. Ford built some horrible Thunderbirds from 1958 till about 1989. The new one in the early 21st century is nothing to write home about. None of which you can blame on the UAW, good or bad. |
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People find this discussion expecting to read about the UAW. We have 100's of other discussions to discuss Future Vehicles or All Things Porsche or Classic Cars.
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So does anyone have anything to say about the Saturn project. The Tennessee experiment in which labor(UAW) and management would partner up to beat out the Japanese car companies. They started out with a worthwhile goal, but the end result questions if eastern ideology can ever transition into the western culture.
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Cadillac wanting to entice younger people (YUPPIES) tried the Catera as its bridge to this new market. Built in Germany by Opel, a GM division. High end Bosch parts, Recaro seats, Bose sound system, and basically bastardized as most euro cars are (sharing common parts from common brands). In any case this failed here in America to make any dent in the young urban professional euro market. Given that most German companies are union represented as is Opel in Germany. The car has been redone today CTS (Catera Touring Sedan) and can't keep up with demand in these trying times. Then its a UAW built car from Michigan. What went wrong with its initial offering? It should also be noted that the Catera is now the Opel Omega and a big hit in Europe.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 22, 2008 9:26 am) The original Catera handled well but was underpowered relative to its weight (it was something of a porker, as I recall), suffered from bland styling & was sold only with an automatic. I was surprised at the time (late 90s) that Cadillac's 1st shot at this market missed so badly. You refer to this market segment as new, but yuppies had been identified as a separate market way back in the mid 80s - more than 10 years earlier. By the late 80s, jokes about "yuppies in their BMWs" were standard comic fare. Given that Cadillac was so many years late to this party, you'd think that their entry would have shown a much clearer understanding of what yuppies wanted in their cars. Understand that I'm not a reflexive Cadillac basher. The 1st-gen (2003-07) CTS was vastly better than the Catera, & the current CTS is easily the best Cadillac in 50 years, & one that I'll seriously consider as a replacement for my BMW. It's just too bad, though, that it takes GM so long to bring genuinely compelling cars to market. IMO, that's the biggest single reason why the company is in trouble today. |
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