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#5339 of 16729 Re: Porsche 928 S (sport) [dallasdude1] by rogeliov Nov 21, 2008 (10:47 pm)
Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 21, 2008 10:22 pm) The Pontiac GOOLE as many people called it here in the southwest, also known as the Pontiac 6000 LE. One of Pontiac's most trouble free car, they killed it. Replies to this message: steve_ (Nov 21, 2008 10:59 pm)
#5340 of 16729 Re: Porsche 928 S (sport) [rogeliov] by steve_ HOST Nov 21, 2008 (10:59 pm)
Replying to: rogeliov (Nov 21, 2008 10:47 pm) But the union didn't kill it.   And the UAW is the topic in here.   /hint
#5341 of 16729 Re: Well... [michaell] by tlong Nov 21, 2008 (11:01 pm)
Replying to: michaell (Nov 21, 2008 12:09 pm) It's hard to believe that Wagoner, Mullaly and Nardelli had nothing better to offer than "Business as Usual".    Isn't that what got them into this mess?   Wagoner's story is that GM has *already* done its restructuring (the health care givebacks, two-tier wage scales for the union, some cuts in force, etc.) that have provided the structural change for competitiveness. It's just that this unanticipated economic situation has caused a cash flow problem and the money they want is a bridge loan until the economy improves.   I find it laughable that he thinks that with eight divisions still standing, with the Camaro and Volt coming as the "save the day" models, he's done enough restructuring. What he thinks is restructuring many of us think is just nibbling around the edges. Real restructuring will be far more massive, impactful, and brutal than the efforts they have made so far. And it needs to happen if GM is to be saved. Replies to this message: circlew (Nov 22, 2008 5:58 am)
#5343 of 16729 Re: Only second-rate countries... [dallasdude1] by cz75 Nov 22, 2008 (5:44 am)
Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 20, 2008 8:29 pm) Everyone driving a Z28 looks like they're on parole.
#5345 of 16729 Re: Well... [tlong] by circlew Nov 22, 2008 (5:58 am)
Replying to: tlong (Nov 21, 2008 11:01 pm) Real restructuring will be far more massive, impactful, and brutal than the efforts they have made so far. And it needs to happen if GM is to be saved. Completely agree and the shy arrogance that came across from Wagoner proves he is not prepared for huge change. Congress must demand massive change.   With Obama in back of a Prepackaged Bankruptcy, it's seems more possible that needed change will be enough. Just loaning them the money is like giving Mike Tyson another $50M to play with!!   Regards, OW
#5348 of 16729 Re: Porsche 928 S (sport) [dieselone] by gagrice Nov 22, 2008 (7:10 am)
TBird-SC and the Turbo Coupe from the late 80's.   A few years from 1989 through the 1990s I would rent those T-Birds from Hertz the 3 weeks I was off from my schedule in Alaska. I cruised all over the country in them. The small engine version would get 30 MPG out on the highway. I stopped using Hertz when they quit building that model. Three weeks in an ugly Taurus and I swore off on Ford and Hertz for good. I would rent the recent version of Mustang if they were not so high priced rentals.   Ford built some horrible Thunderbirds from 1958 till about 1989. The new one in the early 21st century is nothing to write home about.   None of which you can blame on the UAW, good or bad.

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