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Replying to: grbeck (Nov 18, 2008 7:46 am) No, Ford has at the most 6 months of cash with the current sales. If GM does not get the money it will go chapter 7. The two other domestics will go within 1 month and then the entire US built industry will shut down for up to a year. The Japanese and Germans will then turn on their foreign plants and import 100% where they can and will struggle where they cannot (trucks). |
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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 18, 2008 10:57 am) GM probably thought that the only reason people bought Accords, Camrys, Altimas, etc., is because GM never built a really competitive model. GM just had to match the competition and people would flock to Chevy and Saturn dealerships. Only problem with that mindset is that many buyers are perfectly happy with their present vehicles, and see no need to switch. They are not sitting around, waiting to see what GM does. It's not the 1960s anymore, when GM could take its sweet time in responding to the four-seat Thunderbird or original Mustang and still grab a major share of that respective segment when it did field an entry. If customers are going to switch, they need a compelling reason, and the fact that GM has finally managed to field a reasonably competitive model after wandering in the woods for over 25 years is a not a compelling reason. A Chevy as good as a competiting Toyota may be big news in Detroit, or among GM fans, but among car buyers, the likely response is, "What took GM so long?", if not, "So what?". Also note that the new Malibu carries the baggage of the models that went before it. I've driven a 2000 Malibu, and a 2005 Malibu, and there is no way that I would switch from an Accord to either of those. The new one is better, but I'm not seeing where it is better than the best in this class. A company isn't going to lure satisfied customers away from the competition by merely matching what the competitors have been doing for the past 25 years. Given that we're satisfied with the Accord, I'm leery of switching, but if I did, it would probably be to the upcoming 2010 Fusion, which has compiled an excellent reliability record and looks better than the Malibu. As for the CTS - it's a big improvement over the previous generation, and it's a good car, but I'm not seeing where it's BETTER than a BMW 3-Series or Mercedes C-Class. Aside from the styling, there isn't anything that really makes it stand out among its competitors. BMW still has the better driving dynamics for those who really do want the Ultimate Driving Machine, while among the status-conscious, "I drive a BMW" sounds better than "I drive a Cadillac." My parents bought a brand-new Lucerne, and they are quite happy with it. I've driven it, and the brutal truth is that this car will not appeal to anyone who isn't already a GM loyalist.
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Nov 18, 2008 9:02 am) The government would have to pass some sort of law that would allow GM to be reorganized without an actual declaration of bankruptcy. As for how this is done - I'll have to leave it to minds far more learned than mine. Obama needs to put that Ivy League education to use. 
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| With my tax money funding the supposed survival of the Big 2.5, any remaining pangs of guilt I had for buying only German and Japanese cars(and British motorcycles) will be gone completely. That said, I'm still going to hang on to my Jeep TJ; it was such a pure and simple design that even Chrysler workers couldn't screw up building it. | |
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Replying to: grbeck (Nov 18, 2008 11:33 am) I can immediately see where the CTS is a better car than either of those austere, unreliable, and overpriced cars. Sheesh, a Nissan Altima and some Hyundais have a plusher interior than either those two. The CTS costs less and gives you more features. It is less expensive to service and maintain. The 3-Series and C-Class are purchased, (or should I say leased) by naive junior managers who care more about image than having a serious automobile. While among the status-conscious, "I drive a BMW" sounds better than "I drive a Cadillac." Not to me! If somebody tells me "I drive a BMW" he sounds like an arrogant (censored). "I drive a Cadillac" gets my immediate attention and respect, and, if she's a pretty female, my phone number.
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 18, 2008 11:49 am) Why not bring a CTS to a BMW CCA track event and we'll see which car is superior. We'll even let you run a Caddy with a "cabriolet" roof, gold trim, and a continental kit. Snazzy!
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...all those soon-to-be unemployed UAW members can get jobs in the mighty retail sector! Circuit City stores... most recent (? how many) Ann Taylor- 117 stores nationwide are to be shuttered Lane Bryant,, Fashion Bug, and Catherine's to close 150 store nationwide Eddie Bauer to close stores 27 stores and more after January Cache will close all stores Talbots closing down all stores J. Jill closing all stores GAP closing 85 stores Footlocker closing 140 stores more to close after January Wickes Furniture closing down Levitz closing down remaining stores Bombay closing remaining stores Zales closing down 82 stores and 105 after January. Whitehall closing all stores Piercing Pagoda closing all stores Disney closing 98 stores and will close more after January. Home Depot closing 15 stores 1 in NJ ( New Brunswick ) Macy's to close 9 stores after January Linens and Things closing all stores Movie Galley Closing all stores Pacific Sunware closing stores Pep Boys Closing 33 stores Sprint/ Nextel closing 133 stores JC Penney closing a number of stores after January Ethan Allen closing down 12 stores. Wilson Leather closing down all stores Sharper Image closing down all stores K B Toys closing 356 stores Loews to close down some stores Dillard's to close some stores. Oops, maybe not. |
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Replying to: roadburner (Nov 18, 2008 11:56 am) CADILLAC DOES NOT BUILD ANY CARS WITH TACKY GARISH ADD-ON TRASH LIKE CABRIOLET ROOFS, CONTINENTAL KITS OR GOLD TRIM!!! Yes, and I would bring a CTS to a BMW CCA track event, especially if it's a V-Series car!
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Maybe we could have saved the horse and buggy industry. And blacksmiths as well. |
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 18, 2008 12:00 pm) 
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