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Re: Bailout Dead for now... [gagrice] by rockylee
Nov 17, 2008 (9:52 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 17, 2008 9:20 pm)

GM folding will be forgotten in a year.
 
That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in my life !!!!
 
General Motors Corp
 
Executive Salaries, Bonuses, Stock Options, and Other Compensation

 
http://www.companypay.com/executive/compensation/general-motors-corp.asp?yr=2008-
 
-Rocky
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Re: Bailout Dead for now... [rockylee] by gagrice
Nov 17, 2008 (10:02 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 17, 2008 9:52 pm)

Executive Salaries, Bonuses, Stock Options, and Other Compensation
 
Those salaries and bonuses are even more reason to let GM DIE. Wagoner sees no reason to change the top tier managers. Gettlefinger sees no reason for the UAW to give concessions. GM cannot make it without outside cash to pay these high costs. Let them go. And I do not believe for one second that GM is that important to the US economy. Barely a blip on the GDP. Not even one half of one percent. You are living in the past as is most of the UAW members. You watch too much worthless TV. It is in Obama's court now. Bush handed it over to him. He does not want to deal with that bunch of losers in the 110th Congress.
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Re: Bailout Dead for now... [gagrice] by rockylee
Nov 17, 2008 (10:40 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 17, 2008 10:02 pm)

The Big 3 account for 4% GDP so get your facts straight before you rant about how little the automobile industry matters to this country. If the Big 3 dies so will the rest of the country....Those are the facts !!!
 
-Rocky
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Re: Bailout Dead for now... [gagrice] by rockylee
Nov 17, 2008 (10:46 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 17, 2008 10:02 pm)

Also what do you want the UAW, to give up in concessions ??? I'm sure any of them would be willing to switch retirement packages with you !!! My uncles Teamster pension fund looks like a goldmine compared to my fathers and just like yours it doesn't go down when he reaches social security. My father's does probably something else you weren't aware of !!!!
 
I wished Fintail, was around to keep you in check !!!
 
-Rocky
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Well... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 18, 2008 (1:12 am)
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rockford I have seen so many dull looking huge pick-em-up trucks from GM right now and so few affordable green products that I am of the mindset that GM can just fall in to a huge Midwest protoplasm omeba of Detroit Piston muck. The Silverado you see to the right in the ad has slowed us all down for long enough. That gravytrain has sailed.
 
Your GDP numbers are inflated because they're made by a UAW member, aren't they?
 
The bailout is dead. I agree with gagrice on this one. Dead. Done. Cya-Nara. Cya-woudn't want to have ever been ya. Over. And out.
 
rockylee...is it true that Chev really wants $46,995 for the 2010 Chevy Volt? Please tell me that's an Internet misnomer, man.
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Re: Well... [iluvmysephia1] by spirit6100
Nov 18, 2008 (1:48 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 18, 2008 1:12 am)

i disagree with you iluvmysephia1, people have told me that they like their truck.., some people need a truck.., some just have a truck but don't really need it.., the extra torque in a truck is necessary for a number of occassions.., and the Big 3 are moving forward, there are still plans in the making for green with the Big 3..., The foreigners dont' have to build the big trucks for us(or any of them), the fact is we don't need the foreigners building any of them for us..,
free trade is not necessarily fair trade, The chinese surplus is over $259 billion and only growing..,
With the banks getting bailed out(and that number is well past a few $$$trillion, some say getting close to $9trillion or more) the Big 3 should get a $100 billion rescue loan that gets paid back with interest..,
if you are into green that bad(and i am not saying it is bad) then you should try puting more green into the average homes that create pollution also..,
okay, if you like cars more then maybe you should start working on the 'Car Tires' and i have just the link for you --> link title
and let the foreigners build cameras or maybe you can try selling the foreigners to the u.s. military.
 
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Re: UAW [imidazol97] by 62vetteefp
Nov 18, 2008 (4:39 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 17, 2008 5:42 pm)

"In GM's case the retirees need to take a reduction to help keep the company going. Otherwise..., no sympathy."
 
What I cannot believe is how even here, after it has been repeated and repeated, that we do not know the real facts. How in the heck can we expect the rest of the country to know????
 
ALL employees of GM have lost their retiree health care. ALL
 
Salarieds pay 100%. UAW retirees are getting something from their own UAW accounts. GM will not be on the hook.
 
Caveat: GM has agreed to make a multi billion payment into some UAW fund to start the fund.
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Re: [rockylee] by 62vetteefp
Nov 18, 2008 (4:43 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 17, 2008 7:53 pm)

Rocky, the US is not done if we lose the big 3. We will go into a depression that will probably last 5-10 years but we will come out of it. But we will come out at a bit lower on the totem pole compared to some of the other countries. In the future we will have nothing to export because all the other countries will be able to do everything we do cheaper and therefore our wages will drop to be even with theirs. Sorry no more cheap china stuff. Heck we may be sending the same stuff back on ebay!
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Re: Awesome Site [lemko] by jimbres
Nov 18, 2008 (5:14 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 17, 2008 3:42 pm)

Silly site. The author blames "interlocking ties" for the failure of American cars to sell in the Japanese market. The real reason was Detroit's refusal to build cars suitable for Japan's left-hand traffic. (Would you buy a car with the steering wheel on the wrong side?)
 
And why does he give the Germans a pass? The Japanese may sell more units, but the top end of the market, which the Germans have dominated for decades, accounts for a huge chunk of the profits. As far as its bottom line is concerned, GM would be in much better shape if it sold fewer Chevies & more Caddies. Luxury is where the money is.
 
But my main gripe with these "Buy American" guys is that they don't understand this basic fact: you don't have to wave the flag to get most of us to buy American if you're building exciting cars.
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Only second-rate countries... by lemko
Nov 18, 2008 (5:53 am)
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...don't have an auto industry of their own. Shoot even FRANCE has it's own auto industry and own Nissan to boot! Don't give me the UK as an example. They are a huge has-been nation compared to what they once were. "The sun never sets on British soil!" Feh! Looks like "Great" Britain has been experiencing a solar eclipse for almost 40 years.
 
Yeah, we'll go into a deep depression if the Big Three collapse and we'll come out of it in about 5-10 years. Of course, will any of us be here when it ends? I so, won't we be living a much diminished lifestyle?
 
Import lovers should really fear a collapse of the Big Three if they love their cars so much. Let me give you this scenario.
 
"Hey, Bill! How's your new 2016 Toyota Camry? I love it, Joe, but I can't seem to keep a decent paint job on it. Every morning I wake up to see some joker keyed it or spraypainted profanity on it! Yeah, I'm having trouble with my 2014 Honda Accord. I just can't keep tires on it because some idiots keep slashing the sidewalls. Hey, there's Al! Al, we've been talking cars. How's your 2015 Nissan Altima? Fine, except I can't seem to keep glass in it with all these unemployed auto workers roaming the streets. Just yesterday, I was stopped at a light and these two guys in tattered clothes threw a cinderblock through my windshield. Geeze, why doesn't somebody call the cops? What cops? The city laid off half the force 'cause there's no tax funds for them. I hear there's going to be more lay-offs..."

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