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all right. Here's the deal. I don't like what's going on. Congress will offer a bailout, GM, Ford and Chrysler can't fail. Well, maybe Chrysler-Cerberus will. But I, if you will recall, have been laid off twice from a company called The Boeing Company. And, I have pulled myself up by my bootstraps and re-trained for a totally different career, the Allied Health field. So, I had to tie all of the bureacracy and red tape together, study hard, and I mean study hard, and I made it. I can't help but think internally on this one. I can tell you from personal experience that there is life after a manufacturing job. rock, tell me the truth here. Do you, in your heart of hearts, think GM can pull out of their large Depression with a, oh, let's say $50 Billion dollar Federal Government bailout? Or are we just going to be prolonging everyone's misery. I remember 2002 at Boeing, everyone's productivity was being shot to hell because all everyone wanted to do was put down Phil Condit and Harry Stonecipher(two Boeing CEO's of that era). I mean, SPEEA got all the socialist juices going, but they also stirred the pot so that working on real Boeing jet aircraft drawings became a background hobby for us. I am saying that the healthcare industry is hiring, you've just got to go out and line up some trianing for yourself. It's honest work, though, sure, my college tuition and books were paid for by The Trade Act, but it was done honestly and in view of all authorities. This GM bailout is starting to smell of lobbyist-disease and pork-barrel large corporate hand-wringing and handouts. It's starting to really smell. I'm saying these people who are UAW can find another way out than working for GM. And why not large numbers of them? Huh?
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Replying to: fezo (Nov 17, 2008 2:39 pm) My sister was a long time UAL employee and she got her full pension in spite of UAL's bankruptcy. I think Kernick pointed out somewhere around here that the PGBC pension amount is based on years of service or some formula like that. Since the Big 3's workers are generally older than those employed by the foreign car manufacturers in the US, many of their pensions may not be reduced all that much. Either way, the taxpayer is gonna be on the hook big time, since the premiums paid into the PGBC won't be near enough to cover the payments. |
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 17, 2008 3:58 pm) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72cHfOKoA1c -Rocky |
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 17, 2008 3:58 pm) No doubt about it that no matter how this goes we're going to pay a large fortune. |
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http://gmfactsandfiction.com/ -Rocky |
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I think as I said have made my point very clear as to the domino effect the Big 3 collapse would have including healthcare jobs. The difference iluv, is Boeing didn't go belly up despite you losing your job pal, and it was democrats who pushed to save Boeing, despite people like McCain, who faught giving Boeing's, union folks contracts and gave them to McDonald Douglas, !!! Boeing, like General Motors, is an important industry not for just the jobs it provides but their demise is a national security issue and I have a feeling someday WWIII will break out and it will be companies like the Big 3 and Boeing, who will give us a fighting chance at victory while you work on doing your healthcare deal on us young guys who are doing the fighting !!!!  "The Rock" |
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 17, 2008 4:08 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Nov 17, 2008 2:25 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 17, 2008 5:08 pm) --charlie
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 17, 2008 2:34 pm) Who's Charlie? What companies have CUT retiree healthcare and checks A neighbor of a close friend had his pension cut and healthcare costs were increased. I don't know if it's a national company from which he retired or not. I'll ask our friend when I see her next. She had him paint her home and do some interior paint and light remodeling work because she felt sorry for him. A parent in a group my son was in kept finding the national company for which he worked kept changing the promise for healthcare for retirees. He hadn't retired yet but what I understood is that the company kept paying less and less. He also kept fighting the changing amount of retirement if he did retire. I don't see him often to ask how it turned out. In GM's case the retirees need to take a reduction to help keep the company going. Otherwise..., no sympathy.
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