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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 17, 2008 6:07 am) See, now hypothetically, what IF the courts cancelled all of GM's debt??? How would that affect the whole banking crisis??? |
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 17, 2008 2:34 pm) Still, it is a matter of what we will pay when - not an if in any sense of the word. I will say that if they did reduce the pensions I would have no faith in anything that's written down as to "from now on we'll do this." If they reneg on the current pensioners they'll reneg on future ones down the road.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 16, 2008 4:37 pm) However, we have allowed them entry to our markets. The auto market has been one. No barriers, tariffs, or hurdles to get in. The UAW has attained a high standard of living for folks who toil in many of these auto plants. Honest work for honest wages.Including the Toyota Corolla (UAW represented) plant in California. Many folks envy the compensation/benefit package. Instead of trying to get themselves the same or better, they want others to suffer with inferior compensation/benefit packages. Thats just plain envy. I say that they need to expend their efforts in organizing.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 17, 2008 3:11 pm) Who says socialism is dead in the USA. Everybody wants socialism, but don't want to be called out as such. If UAW workers are in a tight place, why should the regular public funds help them out? Isn't that socialism of the highest degree? or are we obligated to do so because they deserve it?? If they can afford their full blown salary and health benefits on their own, nobody complained. Did they? Now that they cannot do so, why does GM want public funds to do just that?? |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 17, 2008 3:11 pm)  I can't have it so why should you?? Not fair!!!
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Guys, I think you guys are taking what I said and spinning it. I thought this was the no spin zone but apparently I didn't get the memo ???  The bottom line is if we don't bailout the Big 3 it will make the collapse of Wallstreet look like a ripple in the water in comparison !!! I think many folks don't realize just how much of a consquence the Big 3 going out of business will have on this economy. It would make the 1929' depression look like everyone is working !!! Thousands of small and large businesses will collapse and millions of folks will be unemployed. I think the american worker and the corporations who've tried to stay here in the U.S. have gotten a screw job for the last 20 or 30 years by our government and its free trade for one side policies !!!  Go ahead and tell your congressman "NO" on the bailout but when desperate people take up robbery and other criminal behavior to put food on the table then don't come on here and whine because I will say told you so !!!! I have made it clear and have no doubt by looking at other economies as examples that I'm right on this subject !!!  Some of the most powerful economies have protectionist clauses in their trade policies to protect their standard of living at home from cheap foreign labor. Even Lou Dobbs, says if you want to avoid another great depression the bailout is neccessary. Just cutting the pay on Union people will not solve the problem because the bottom line is if they have no extra money to spend those businesses they patron will collapse anyways. ILUV, it is critical to have a class of people with disposable income pal. My father has a modest pension nothing like gagrice, gets or wages gagrice, made but he does have health benefits and does have to pay a portion of it out of his pocket. It's going to come to the point of asking how much do union members needs to sacrifice ??? Their was no 401K available for my father to invest in back in the day and if he did have one well you've seen how well those Vegas, plans have faired here lately !!!! Yes I'm very passionate about this issue as I've seen already just how many jobs in manufacturing have been lost here locally and abroad. Thousands more in furniture sectors i.e. Herman Miller, Haworth, Steelcase, and automobile suppliers like Johnson Controls, Gentex, Donnelly, Delphi, have recently announced another round of lay-offs. Some might be living in area's of comfort and swallowing down their Jelly Bismarks, and Starbucks, but reality for a quarter of the U.S. work force looks very bad and the only solution some say is to cut here and there like that is going to solve the problems ???? I feel many folks are oblivious due to their local surroundings as I've spoken with friends in the Texas, Panhandle who've asked me what in the hell is going on ???? Well when your economy is based on agriculture, oil, government, sectors that currently have seen huge investment increases and rewards due to the Bush administration well it's hard to comprehend what a reccession feels like. I think that is part of the problem because many sectors that don't know what a factory is will not feel the damage until later.... If GM, Ford, Chrysler, aren't bringing in tax revenue for Uncle Sam, those government jobs will be cut as their won't be the money coming in to fund those projects. Once the borrowing from China, to fund the war ends a lot of these government jobs will be slashed !!! If we open up South America, for free-trade you can kiss those Texas farms good-bye because the South Americans, run plantations and the american farmer won't be able to compete with slave labor !!!! Here's something related to this topic: EFCA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_zkU4rEIhQ The above link is reality for people who want to organize in this country. EFCA, will make that right easier and will help overcome employer intimidation !!! I look forward to it's passage !!!!  Thank-you, Barack Obama !!!!  -Rocky
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I LOVE WHAT THIS GUY HAS TO SAY!!!  http://www.drive-american.org/index.htm
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 17, 2008 11:26 am) That is very sound advice buddy !!! Seriously, dad and I have joked about living off the land. We talk about having a lake to fish for food and woods to hunt deer and other wildlife to eat !!! We talked about growing vegetables in the yard for consumption as well !!! I like Lenny, want to tend the rabbits and will live off the fat of the land !!! I don't think even John Steinbeck, could imagine that the pseudo-capitalist would destroy our country over greed again !!!  -Rocky |
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 17, 2008 3:42 pm) -Rocky |
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