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IUE-CWA-Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) by rockylee
Apr 25, 2007 (11:14 pm)
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http://www.iue-cwa.org/news/page.jsp?itemID=28464117
 
I really can't believe it's a one-way street with all these trade agreements. I can understand why the union's are throwing a huge fit. Where is small business ?
 
What benefit, to the U.S. does a agreement like this have ? You can buy a Hyundai, cheaper ? A Samsung cheaper ? What benefit does this trade agreement give to the american worker ? Well I guess a Chevy Aveo, just got cheaper once this is passed.
 
Rocky
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Re: Proposed treaty doesn't eliminate barriers to U.S. products in Korean m by rorr
Apr 26, 2007 (3:32 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 25, 2007 10:55 pm)

"...but Korea won't take meaningful, enforceable action to eliminate the non-tariff trade barriers which have shut U.S. vehicles out of their market for years."
 
Just out of curiousity, precisely what ARE these "non-tariff trade barriers" that affect the UAW?
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You're right Rockylee! by lokki
Apr 26, 2007 (2:43 pm)
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Those Korean companies should be building their pickup trucks here in Mississippi like Nissan does, or in Texas like Toyota does!
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Re: IUE-CWA-Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) [rockylee] by lemonhater
Apr 26, 2007 (4:12 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 25, 2007 11:14 pm)

The small business that are smart are looking to export their products and services to Korea. As korea's markets open we gain a place to sell our goods and services.
 
We also gain by being able to import goods and services at a lower price. We can spend our money elsewhere rather than buying expensive cars and electronics. Another plus for the economy.
 
On a whole it is a plus for the whole economy and may create many good paying jobs.
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Re: IUE-CWA-Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) [lemonhater] by rockylee
Apr 26, 2007 (5:15 pm)
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Replying to: lemonhater (Apr 26, 2007 4:12 pm)

On a whole it is a plus for the whole economy and may create many good paying jobs.
 
I'm yet to see a un free trade agreement like this one create good paying jobs ???? NAFTA is a failure. CAFTA, will be a bigger failure. This one will make your Samsung's and Hykia's a little cheaper even though they also under value their currency. I'm yet to see how and where this will create good paying jobs ?
 
Like lokki, said if we would put up barrier's like almost every other country does to us we might create good paying jobs as they would be forced to build their products here.
 
Rocky
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Re: IUE-CWA-Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) [rockylee] by lemonhater
Apr 26, 2007 (5:42 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 26, 2007 5:15 pm)

It creates thoose jobs because now consumners can spend their money on other stuff. Good paying manufactoring jobs might take a hit. But then again the people who saved thousands on the hykias can buy that much more goods and services. You can now afford to dine out more often or perhaps. Creating jobs not just for waiters and resturant staff, but also for the white collar workers.
 
You could invest it in a fast growing company that will in turn use the money to hire more workers.
 
Perhaps you will use the money to remodel your house more often. Creating jobs for plumbers, electricains ect.
 
 In addition there are more jobs on earth than manufatoring. And importing manufactored goods isn't always cheaper than prodicing it locally.
 
Also cheap is not the only way to the consumers heart. Toyota and Honda are not cheap to purchase. GM and Ford are cheaper, yet toyhonda manage to sell more and more cars. Rightly or wrongly people percive that spending their money on a Toyota will be a better use of money than a chevy. Either the Toyota will be more fuel effceint, safer, better package, stylish, or reliable than the Chevy. What ever the reason people are willing to spend on Toyota rather than Chevy and it has nothing to do with the price of the car.
 
And honeslty I can see why. GM's small cars have a reputation for being bad. So GM fails to lure in young buyers.
 
GM's large cars are better, but the folks who want to buy a Buick and Cadalaic are not the bread and butter market. Honestly until peopele again think of Chevy as a good value, GM will be a bit player.
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Re: IUE-CWA-Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) [lemonhater] by rockylee
Apr 26, 2007 (6:12 pm)
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Replying to: lemonhater (Apr 26, 2007 5:42 pm)

lemonhater,
 
I also see those service jobs getting exported to India, as well. Sure unemployment is low but people are making less today in real wages than they were a decade plus ago and that includes company's cuts in benefits and the overall cost of living. Wages have not even came close to keeping up.
 
Rocky
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Re: IUE-CWA-Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) [rockylee] by lemko
Apr 27, 2007 (4:50 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 26, 2007 6:12 pm)

Maybe more jobs are being created, but you'll need to work two or three of these low-wage jobs to survive.
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Re: IUE-CWA-Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) [rockylee] by gagrice
Apr 27, 2007 (6:20 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 26, 2007 6:12 pm)

Wages have not kept up with inflation for the last 40 years. I made $11k in 1970 working for the phone company. I was able to buy a new home for $25k and a new PU truck for $2000.
 
In 2005 I made $105k the same house 36 years later is selling for $650k and a new PU truck for $30k. Food and gas have not hit us as bad as the big items.
 
To keep up with inflation I should have been making $250K plus a year.
 
UAW members are not over paid. Upper level managers are over paid. CEOs are way overpaid. Workers need to unite if they want to survive. Not just at Toyota, but Wally World, Kroger & Safeway. I think if you look closely the only large companies that appreciate their employees are the oil companies. They have managed to keep out most Unions by paying good wages and benefits. Microsoft is also an exception, paying higher than average to keep good employees.
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Re: IUE-CWA-Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) [gagrice] by grbeck
Apr 27, 2007 (6:30 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 27, 2007 6:20 am)

Gagrice,
 
We pay less, in inflation adjusted dollars, for food and clothing then we did in 1960.
 
Gasoline hit its peak price - adjusted for inflation - in March 1981. It may have finally bested that price since last year.
 
Housing is another matter entirely, but that is based on factors such as demographics, speculation by "flippers" and the self-segregation of people into certain neighborhoods, based on the quality of schools and crime rates.
 
For example, I recall reading that a house in the Benedict Canyon area of Beverly Hills sold for $82,000 in the mid-1960s. My parents' built their home in 1966 in central Pennsylvania, and the cost was $25,000 - or a little less than 1/3 the price of the Beverly Hills house.
 
Fast forward to the mid-1990s, and the Beverly Hills house sold for over $2 million. Is my parents' house worth a little less than 1/3 of that price? No way, and they don't live in a depressed area. Quite the opposite. Something more than the rate of inflation is pushing up the price of Southern California real estate, and it isn't just occurring in the posh sections of Southern California.

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