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Replying to: tlong (Nov 14, 2008 12:07 am) You're focusing on the wrong end of the goose; you're looking at the worker bees end. You need to look at the head end where upper management and middle management pay and benefits are established. That end has been over-producing golden eggs (and parachutes) for years. That's why the other end can't put out gold. None makes it that far through the ovum-producing tract. Upper management is alive and doing better than even the (highly-paid and highly-benefited) UAW. As much as I feel UAW is over-benefited and somewhat overpaid even with the reduced-pay workers taking all the cuts rather than the older ones who drained the pie of cherries..., they haven't gotten what management got. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 14, 2008 6:40 am) 
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 14, 2008 6:21 am) So here we are. The Sequoia is a bland-looking, gargantuan, comfortable SUV with a five-star engine, a two-star interior and lousy handling dynamics. In Toyota's quest to become like Ford and GM, they've become just like Ford and GM. Yes, but… consider Toyota's Demming-sourced rep for reliability. The ToMoCo juggernaut rolls on. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2008-toyota-sequoia-platinumreview/
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Your lack of ability to communicate in a civil manner is noted. everybody in the hiring business is profiling And I think it is WRONG. The job should go to the best qualified regardless of race, religion or family ties. I have seen more than I like being a part of 3 different Unions over my 46 year career. I was on the Teamster executive board for a couple years and sat in on numerous negotiations. I know how the thug mentality in the Unions works. I know how management works. It is still the corporations that create the jobs. NOT THE UNIONS. You don't try to squeeze every penny out till it makes no sense to stay in business. For you to argue that we would be better off with toyota is a joke too I did not say for one minute that I want Toyota instead of GM. I was commenting on the demise of GM and the continued quality of the one product I own by Toyota. I have had bad Toyota vehicles as well. None are perfect. This will probably be my last Toyota unless they build something in the future I like. They are not headed in the right direction in my opinion. Neither is GM or Ford. I look for VW to surprise US all. I also agree that GM has wasted a lot of money on upper management, worthless ads and poor investments. So tell me why they deserve to survive? Why we should throw more good money after bad? |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 13, 2008 9:31 pm) And that is the way it should be ! Certain jobs and certain skill levels are worth a certain amount of pay. Employers have every right to expect the employees to meet full requirements of that job. Just as the employees expect their full pay checks. An above article, about Toyota's Sweat shops in Japan, certainly pointed out abuse of management to the workers, IF the article is true. Keeping in mind there are individuals that work extra hours to satisfy their on own agendas. I have a good friend that was like that. And it cost him his health. That article also pointed out that Toyota hires "Part Time" employees during peek periods and pay them less than the full timers and more than other manufacturing jobs in the area. With little to no bennefits. What is wrong with that? Many people don't want to work full time. I'm one of them. I work 3-8 days a month for pocket money. Plus it gives me somewhere to go a few days a month. I don't want and don't need to work any more than that. The PT money allows me to be able to do things that we would not ordinarily be able to do on the Pension and Social Security checks. The full timers can be payed more and it is a win-win for all concerned. I work most Saturdays, which is fine because every day is Saturday for this retiree. The full timers can be off for the weekend and if one needs to be off during the week I get called in. Their wage is about 50% more than mine, and there are people waiting in line for my job. Not at all unusual for companies to use PT people during peek periods. Why should they go to the expense of hiring full time people, when they are not needed full time. A plus for the companies is that they have the opportunity to observe working habits of those PT people, so that when they actually need to hire a full time person, they can offer jobs to the best workers. One of our 3 sons has been at Yamaha for many years. When he first started, it was through an employment agency and just for a few weeks. When the time frame was over the employment agency would send him else where. Yamaha liked him and offered him a full time job. They were able to observe his work before hiring him. If a union shop hires a slug, they are "Stuck" with them. Then they are forced to hire another person that may or may not work out, while keeping the original dead wood on the payroll. Then we wonder why jobs are out sourced. To keep the Big 3 in business, some serious changes need to be made. OR, those Billions they are seeking would do no more than prolong the inevitable. Kip |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Nov 14, 2008 7:23 am) I think Toyota went the wrong direction with the 2008 Sequoia. I did like the 2006 Escalade as well as the 07 Sequoia. Wife did not like the looks of the Escalade. I will probably sell the Sequoia next year and get either the Mercedes or BMW diesel SUV. GM and Ford have nothing to offer that compares. The Sequoia handles a heck of a lot better with better acceleration and braking than my 05 GMC hybrid PU truck. Not really apples to apples comparison. Just the quality of the product and the workmanship. The UAW let mine get out with doors that did not shut properly. Dealer unable to correct problem. Sold to a guy in LA that just had to have a Hybrid PU. So I did not lose my shorts on the deal. I was a GM fan up until that truck. The UAW is partially responsible for losing me as a customer. |
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someone elses home". That pretty much sums it up, you and GM blame me for destryoing their home. I haven't lifted a finger to destroy anything. They have screwed themselves, now they want to blame me if I don't do anything about it. Unfreakinbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- - !!! 
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 14, 2008 7:29 am) PLEASE NOTE THAT as far as family goes.., the other day the she behind the desk asked me twice if i was related to somebody else i had to tell her no twice, kinda strange. |
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Replying to: kipk (Nov 14, 2008 7:36 am) I think part time workers have their place and are needed. Where I have a problem is stringing a part time employee along for years a not giving them a full time job if they request it. If they are good enough to keep for a year on part time they should be given a full time slot. I do think companies like Toyota have abused the part timers. When the time frame was over the employment agency would send him else where. Yamaha liked him and offered him a full time job. Temp agencies are big abusers of workers. They will send them out then undermine them to get them back. Then send them off to another temp job. My daughter was shuffled like that until an employer told her what the temp agency was doing. She was hired full time by that title company. I would imagine the UAW contracts protect the workers from extended PT work. Ninety days should be enough for a competent supervisor to tell if a person is going to be a good employee. |
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Replying to: kipk (Nov 14, 2008 7:36 am) Japan has no natural resources and thereby must get some advantage on its competition. Its doing it well, and does so to preserve its economy. That is an economy that depends the American consumer to keep it employed. China on the other hand is concerned with jobs to keep its ruling class, ruling. They are those high level communist and their families. They can not afford any economic turmoil which would lead to a uprising and might bring down this ruling classes power. In order for them to maintain the status quo, they need to keep employment high. They will do anything to help this metric. Up to and including, blackmailing the multi-national companies into moving production/jobs to China, going after high labor industries (like the auto industry), and anything that brings employment to their people. We need to remember that China has one-fifth of the worlds population and by 2025 will surpass America as the largest consumer nation. Certainly, every large corporation/multi-national has their eyes on this consumer market in the near future.
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