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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 13, 2008 11:02 am) I've read somewhere that aggressive driving also increases in economic hard times, something else for lemko's gloom and doom  I think the people have been taught to not be self-sufficient in any way. The only real thing that comes out of these times is centralization and consolidation of power...and to be on topic...those powers will do anything they can to see the UAW die. |
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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 13, 2008 11:02 am) I have grown my own garden, but it's more a supplement to my food purchases rather than a substitute. I could probably keep my 1988 Buick Park Ave or 1989 Cadillac Brougham going indefinitely, but her LaCrosse and my DTS are too high-tech for me to diagnose and repair if something goes wonky. I think I could survive a Great Depression intact, but girlfriend, who comes from a privileged background and is a bit of a princess still, would be finished. |
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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 13, 2008 11:02 am) I live on Long Island, which in the 1950s & 1960s was a one-company town. That company was Grumman Aerospace, & it provided extremely well-paid employment to many thousands. We never felt recessions & thought that the good times would go on forever. But after the Vietnam War ended & the Apollo space program wound down, Grumman had to drastically downsize. Home prices hit a wall in the early 70s & didn't recover until well into the 80s. During the Carter years, I couldn't drive 3 blocks without seeing at least 1 boarded-up house. In short, the 70s were a terrible time around here because of our excessive dependence on defense contracts. Today, though, our economy is far stronger because it's based on hundreds of small & mid-sized companies instead of one huge employer. As a result, the current recession will pinch us but it won't knock the stuffing out of us.
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 13, 2008 12:56 pm) That is a point I have tried to get across to Rocky. Michigan is a one pony show. They can try to compete making movies or whatever. Until they get out from under the UAW and the Automakers they will be slaves to that industry. Every time it has tough times it will take Michigan with it. Same can be said for states that depend on oil or military or tourism for their livelihood. One states boom is another states bust. Just the way life is. Most of the country is feeling pinched right now. I think they expected more from the election: I was so depressed last night thinking about the election, I called Lifeline. Got a freakin' call center in Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal. They got all excited and asked if I could drive a truck. |
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The big 3 are 100% competitive with anything on the market(especially GM), better established and offer more donations with their profits than any other. 1. better 2. better 3. better than best 
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this conversation is taking me back to 2003-2005 in Missouri. My wife and I and our animals moved there(Rolla)in order for me to get my re-training. In a city called St.Louis we loved to go see a rock band we discovered there. They're called the Drive-By Truckers, we first saw them in the spring of 2004 at Mississippi Nights, a great rock venue right on the banks of the mighty Mississippi River. My wife and I and our son attended that show. Then in the winter of 2004 my wife and I went and saw them at another venue. After the show I was tired but didn't want to get a motel there in St.Louis. Rolla is about 125 miles or so west from St.Louis and I felt I could make the drive. As I started making it away from the venue we noticed some really bad looking buildings. Oh, man, that city has this thing going where you see a good building then there is one with bricks fallen down inside and outside of it and everything. This pattern repeats itself again and again. That was in late 2004. It was a snapshot of what St.Louis has looked like for a long time. St.Louis may have looked it's best back in the 20's or 30's I think. This current conversation about the Depression has popped my mind in to thinking of that night after the show. Depression has been with us already for a long, long time. Only now it's starting to affect people who never thought they'd live through this type of thing. |
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Just caught the tail end of a story on CNN that said Chrysler workers get $75 per hour while Toyota workers get only $48 per hour. I assume the Chrysler workers are UAW and the Toyota guys are non-union. Of course those can't be actual per hour pay figures. That has to include benefits and pensions too, right? No matter how they are figuring the pay, the domestic companies are getting killed by that differential. 
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Nov 13, 2008 3:58 pm) |
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Nov 13, 2008 3:58 pm) Yeah, I'm sure it includes not only wages, but also health insurance, life insurance, vacation, the portion of SS and Medicare that they pay for, and so on. I've heard that in many cases, your wages only make up something like 55-60% of your "total compensation". And yeah you're right, that's an awfully big differential. If true, the Chrysler workers are getting over 50% more than the Toyota workers! |
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Replying to: spirit6100 (Nov 13, 2008 1:54 pm) So why are they declining if their product is so good? Auto mag writers bought out by Japan? Everyone in the US that buys something other than big three is a commie idiot? Consumers are morons in general?
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