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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 13, 2008 8:30 am) We all like the Rock. Let's just pretend and see if and how he would wear a different hat for a day or two. |
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Replying to: sixfive (Nov 13, 2008 8:31 am) There is another cold war right now. It really never died. The Soviets won, just as they were the largest victor of WW2, no matter what our propaganda textbooks claim. Maybe the military-industrial complex can spawn a new wave of prosperity...just hope it is for those on this continent, and not for sweatshop workers elsewhere. |
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Replying to: sixfive (Nov 13, 2008 8:31 am) My nephew graduated from college in Seattle. He was going to teach school. He bussed tables to help with his college expenses. When he graduated the restaurant he was working at offered him a bar tending job. He makes more than he would teaching school. He is getting ready to start post graduate work next year. Philosophy was his major. A great education for a bar tender. There are a lot of good jobs for those that seek them out and are not locked into a certain mindset. |
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| O and when the new office tower was built, they were using flushless urinals in the design. Well the unions decided that comcast should use those urinals but never without 40 stories of backup water oriented uruinal pluming just in case they should someday need to flush anyway. O and the entire city can't install the awful flusheless systems for the next 10 years for fear the union would have no one to muscle a 40% premium from. | |
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"The Soviets won, just as they were the largest victor of WW2, no matter what our propaganda textbooks claim. " They will be back thats for sure, but I think we all won back when the wall came down in that now the tensions that developed the nuclear arms race and fear of communism as a viable sustainable ideaology are seen for what they reallt are. My god we wander... |
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 13, 2008 6:40 am) I would agree about sticking together. Some years ago, I was represented by a union (not Teamsters) at a company. They struck, and I stayed out and did picket duty outside the plant at one of two entrances. During my assigned times in the afternoons, every truck that came to entrance to make delivery or pickup just turned around. Some of the truck drivers did talk to us and ask about the strike. As soon as we gave them some info, they turned the truck around and left. They honoroed a picket line of a different union than their own. Just reporting this experience and not pro or con on the practice. You don't need a union to make safety, process, method or any kind of improvements. Companies that empower employees to make changes and suggest improvements who then receive recognition and proper compensation employ a superior business model. On belonging, that can be accomplished when employees feel they are a part of a team, whether their own immediate work group, specifice project teams, cross functional teams, etc as well as the overall company team. Actually, unions probably stifle ideas on improvements that would eliminate entire or parts of employee positions if adopted. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 13, 2008 8:34 am) |
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y'all know that. rocky is all pro-union because his family fed him that for breakfast along with his cornflakes. But don't hate him for that. Just realize that a Honda job that is non-union is just as credible as a UAW job at GM. And right now it means more than the GM job. GM is really at a critical time in their history. I am for a bailout of GM, Ford and Chrysler. I just can't imagine a U.S. without these behemoths. And I am now truly interested in the 2010 Chevy Volt. I like the technology and I think that if a few of you took the time to research it fully you would be impressed with it as well. Lots of reliability potential issues, but I'm just researching for now. It's gonna be hard to wrest a Mitsubishi of some sort from my hands at this point. I am really impressed with Mitsubishi powertrains. They are used as a benchmark by the Chinese carmakers in their new cars. The Chinese are learning fast and they are really motivated. This is gonna truly get interesting in the automotive inudstry. And I think we will all benefit from this because the automakers are going to really be working hard to get us the right product at the right time. For some reason I just got a visual of one of those car-toting large ships sinking after spilling all of the new Volvo's out in to the open sea. 
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"Actually, unions probably stifle ideas on improvements that would eliminate entire or parts of employee positions if adopted. " Pretty hard to be a productive company when it's us vs them wheras the company and management are considered an enemy with whom you battle. Take as much as you can get and who cares of the company's health and well being. Honestly, unions were neccesary but then they ran out of usefulnss after safetly and wages were brought up to what we percieve as good statndards. Some mistrust is probably deserved as well, but I think the propoganda machine would have in the past potrayed the GMs and Fords as having stashes of cash, bogus financial statements, and returing 20% a year to it's equity holders. Not quite so rosy after all for the suits. |
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 13, 2008 8:10 am) Easy, pal. Measured against other post-WWII recessions, our current situation rates as a mid-pack downturn. For all of the loose talk about another 1930s-style Great Depression, we aren't even close to the lows of the 1981-82 recession. |
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