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Replying to: lemko (Nov 13, 2008 6:23 am) I was reading a blurb the other day talking about how all the "fallback" retail jobs are going away in this economic climate. All the laid off Circuit City workers aren't going to be able to go to the mall and get hired on at Linens 'n Things or Mervyns. And soon they'll be competing with a bunch of laid off UAW workers? Retail Losses Sap a Jobs Safety Net (WSJ) |
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 12, 2008 10:25 pm) Don't know for sure, have not examined, nor have each of them in garage and drive equal amount of miles. But, let's say that Camry and Malibu of similar quality of materials, assembly and reliability for sake of argument. So, what extra value has a UAW assembled car have over non-union to warrant their $73/hr overall cost vs half of that for non-union? List specifics. Let's say the Rock were like Joe the Plumber wants to be and started up a business with a couple people, stayed private and kept ownership and was President. With Rock's savy and vision he grew the company to 10, 20, then 50 people. Rock would take care of his people in providing continuous training, employee growth and responsibilities, benefits, empowerment, respect and above average wages for comparative positions. But, one day, one of the Rock's operations managers hires someone with proper qualifications and in a couple months, this guy starts to try to organize workers to be union represented - perhaps UAW, Teamsters, whatever. What would the Rock do?
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 13, 2008 7:48 am) |
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 13, 2008 6:23 am) Remember "Be true to your school". If Obama/Pelosi/Reid give bailout to Big 3 in late Jan, will UAW workers do early morning chants, cheers, to be thankful to Obama? Didn't some kind of union have their members have a song they would sing on tv commercials promoting themselves?
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| don't think I haven't thought those very same thoughts. Sad, really. People are really going to have to start thinking hard about the right kind of training. Healthcare is something people need to keep in mind. It's still a booming job market, training can take as little as 6 months on up to a vet, who will end up training for a total of 12 years! | |
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Nov 13, 2008 8:05 am) One thing I think you forgot. Union members are rarely visionaries. They feel they should have a big piece of the pie without any risk. They feel they should be paid when the company is not making any money. When was the last time a Union created a job that produced anything? The Unions have done a good job of alienating about half the population in this country. My wife's company was Union. Her husband that started the company was a Union Iron Worker. He kept it Union and retired with an Iron Worker's retirement. When he died his son took over the business. His son was a Union member. He quickly busted the Union. My wife who helped start the company, was never a fan of the Union. She made less doing all the job bidding, than most of the Iron workers. She felt they were a bunch of whiners and cry babies. She was a workaholic and expected everyone else to be the same. Workaholic capitalist create jobs. Unions members do not.
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"Geeze, the way things are going, a Wal~Mart job is going to look prestigious! What will become of all these people at the bottom of the jobs ladder? Are they simply going to fall off into oblivion? Desperate people do desperate things. Look for a huge upswing in violent street crime, alcoholism, drug abuse, homicide, and suicide. " Save a little panic for when thing get terribly worse why don't ya. Europe's been at 10% unemployment for years. Our standards are high and ya'll act like its the end of the world. 6.5% UE sucks for those folks but the best we ever see is around 4% (considering that at any time 4% of us are changing jobs/careers/family development). It's hard to be an undereducated worker in these times. I guess that's why my mom always said college will not be a choice like it was for her. I pray for these folks that struggle to survive but they live in the best country in the world. Don't forget that this economy completey propered after the 1970's-1980's manufacturing decline where we restructured to become leaders in the information age with technological advancement, high tech job creation, and became the most productive workforce in the world. Maybe we should fund the space programs some more and so we can develop the next teflon, velcro, personal computer and thousands of other things. Maybe we need another cold war? god help us. These are smart creative people even if Rocky doesn't want them to work for 14 bucks an hour and would have them bussing tables.
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Nov 13, 2008 8:18 am) I remember that. Look for the Union Label.
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| Wanna talk about unions: Try and get a event planned in the Philly Convention Center. Wanna build out your office space in center city. It's cost 40% more than non union job of equal quality. And they WILL find out about your non union contractor and they will then picket you. We actaully had the gall to try and hire a non union builder for our space and by the end of the first week the contractor wouldn't do the job. Good thing, the union got to someone and we had to change the GC before he even had a change to quit. It's legalized strongarming AKA rackateering. | |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 13, 2008 8:30 am) We all like the Rock. Let's just pretend and see if and how he would wear a different hat for a day or two. |
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