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Replying to: lemko (Nov 13, 2008 6:07 am)  If they would implement tariffs on all imported cars and parts and address the currency manipulation done by the Asians, american business would prosper once again. I also believe strongly in enforcing our anti-trust laws so small business the creators of new things could prosper and be given a chance to grow their companies instead of being constantly squashed and their new products killed !!! -Rocky |
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 13, 2008 6:04 am) Medicare IS National Health care. Don't expect anything better from the Government. If all these so called National Health Care programs were so good you would not have people flying into the USA for treatment. Such as the poster from Sweden. Most National Health Care plans are very basic and sometimes like Canada, have long wait times for treatments. Even with serious life threatening illness. The Feds started taking out money from our paychecks for Medicare in 1966. So I paid in 40 years to that plan. With an average lifespan of 70 for men in this country I will get that service 5 years. I currently pay $126 per month for Medicare taken out of my Social Security check. My employer and myself paid in over $50k dollars during my career for MEDICARE. Without figuring interest that is about $11,500 per year for health care. I could have bought a real nice health & dental care plan for $958 a month that the Democrats extorted from me over my career. So tell me why should GM pay the UAW retirees health care when they paid into Medicare their whole career?
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 13, 2008 6:09 am) I have a hard time talking to you on these issues because as a union supporter it bothers me that you are a globalist, pseudo-capitalist !!!  The teamsters I know think a lot more like me than you !!! They are very pro-american, and think we need to rid ourselves of all this shoddy lead tainted goods we import from those commies !!! I never though of myself as having a silver spoon compared to most kids growing up !!! Michigan, use to be a beacon of good jobs from white collar to blue collar and their use to be a mutual respect among all of us playing a major part in contributing to the good of the country. That nationalism, has been lost !!! The UAW, workers are better trained, have more pride, than their non-union competitors. The UAW, agreed to seriously loosing up their restrictive work rules last contract. They found that plants like Lansing, MI. Cadillac plant is safer and more ergonomically friendly to the work force. The Delta plant though is a sweat shop and many injuries have occured in that plant causing surgeries of shoulders, knees, etc, for the older workforce !!! I love how you rail against Obama, on illegal aliens even though your current president and nominee have been pushing for amnesty for the last 4 or 5 years. I will also note that Lou Dobbs, supports the Big 3 bailouts but agrees trade, currency manipulation, and some sort of content laws need to be implemented !!! I know your golden eutopia would be the Reaganomic Theory of trickle down economics but one would think that after 8 years of that program that we need change as the world of business ethics has changed. You can't tax break corporate america into creating jobs. They will however love you if you give them a tax gift as a parting gift to help them pay for that new plant in china !!!  -Rocky
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 13, 2008 6:23 am)  I am all business in a interview and the young girl that interviewed me probably thought I was too serious as I'm not the cheerleader type and like to be professional ??? Best Buy, was only going to offer me back then 10-30 hours a week and how is one suppose to live on that ??? So lemko, do you just work part-time ??? -Rocky
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 13, 2008 6:29 am) Because it's a benefit of working some place for 30 years something this country has lost site of because the greedy at the top (insurance and pharmaceutical companies) have to make absurd amounts of profits !!! That is the problem with privatizing certain sectors. What if Bush, would of privatized social security and medicare like he wanted ??? Where would these old folks be ??? My generation would work until we are dead and given the current circumstances it looks like I and Fintail, will likely do that even with S.S. !!!  -Rocky |
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"Deregulation allowed these banks to act as brokerages houses. Any student of economics...blah blah blah" Did I see where you are an eceonomist? Can't be. Deregulation of the retail banking industry has nothing to do with any of the problems casued by investment banks bundling MBS's with loans originated by mortgage brokers from whereever, retail bank or otherwise. You clearly live in a textbook. I was an economcs major until it became apparent that most bachelors-economics majors were waiting tables in the recession of early 90's. Don 't let me dissaude you from quoting high school text books with completely off topic material here tho...  "You assume that if you deposit $100 in a savings account, they loan $100. Wrong, they are required to maintain a reserve requirement which is about 20% and therefore they lend your $100 deposit out 5 times. So they loan out $500. If you buy something with the loaned money , it works its way back into the banking system. Suppose you buy a car, the auto dealer deposits the money in a bank. This is called the creation of money by the national banking system. I'm well aware of the macro economics, money, and banking. I'm what they call an economist and not someone that just got an MBA add on to their other degree. What does this have to do with anything? Move away from the textbook...Please help us understand what money velocity has to do with anything about the current crisis. Pleeeeeeeeze "I advise high net worth folks among others. At the beginning of the year I put them in cash. Its an ethical and fiduciary responsibility. If this Xmas is what I'm thinking its going to be, those retailers will be downsizing. The vacancy rate will rise and thus rents will go down if anything to lure businesses. To forecast anything but a downward spiral is just wishful thinking. People that live off churning/commissions would like volume rather than results on others investments. Again this is real money and not monopoly money. People's retirements, children's college tuition, and folks futures. If you lose 50% this year, you will have to gain 100% just to get back to where you were." I like the moves you made but, come on, it's not ethical to time the market, correctly or not. You have a responsibility to be prudent, some whould argue timing is a fools game. If you time it wrong, ethics wont keep you working. And what's with the monopoly money...i have real money at stake dude- unless your investment house takes monopoly money enough already. The money we collect in rent smells real too...sheeesh At this point I advise those who seek out my opinion to invest in REIT's right now! And not in GM or Ford. Your ethics wont do much for you if you miss the boat on the upside. Sell low and buy high is not what the prudent investor wants to do so when are you advising to buy into the market? Go check out a Simon or General Growth Retail center and tell me thier portfolio is not going to collect acceptable rents from a reasonable occupancy % and be able to survive a long protracted downturn. There are also companies that are going to improve in a down cycle.. Right now your cllients are earning less than inflation. How long long are they putting up with that? Also my grandmother earns the same 8% yield on her stock whether it goes down or not. IF she were your client she'd be in the street with that 2%
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 13, 2008 6:44 am) |
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 12, 2008 10:25 pm) Are those hacks telling GM to build better products, close down divisions and bring wage and benefit levels into line with the transplant operations? Sorry, but those hacks need to learn that jobs exist to make products that people want. If people don't want the products, there is no reason for the job - or company - to exist. As hard as it may be to accept, car companies are for-profit enterprises that exist to make products that people want, and thereby earn a profit for shareholders. They are not social welfare agencies for blue- and white-collar employees. rockylee: Well Europe and Japan, discourage foreign investment !!! Which is why GM completely owns Opel of Germany and Vauxhall of Great Britain, and Ford has a wholly owned subsidiary based in Germany and Great Britain. And why Saab is owned by GM, and Volvo is owned by Ford. And why GM has owned stakes in Suzuki and Subaru, and Ford still owns a controlling interest in Mazda. rockylee: Try importing a car into China !!! A red herring. No Chinese-made cars are imported into the U.S. and won't be for another 10-15 years. rockylee: Superior to what ??? To the minds of the sheep who read Pol Pot Reports ??? Ostriches who stick their head in the sand regarding Consumer Reports test results have absolutely zero credibility. Lots of people read the magazine; they are are all potential customers. (And for the record, more than a few independent mechanics I've spoken to all agree that Consumer Reports results are largely accurate.) Lots of us are sick of the arrogant Detroit attitude that customers are obligated to ignore all criticisms of Big Three vehicles because they "owe" something to the UAW, or Big Three management. The recent action of Alan Mullaly of Ford is much more productive - he brought his top engineers to the magazine's facilities and forced them to listen as Consumer Reports staff critiqued Ford's cars. rockylee: Yeah you are right because the Japanese, have purchased the automobile media outlets !!! The Japanese auto makers have bought up EVERY media outlet, and every organization that tests vehicles? Sorry, but you are clutching at straws. This is what desperate people whose world is collapsing around them believe, because the truth hurts too much. rockylee: The statistics show quite the opposite of what you are saying. Are going to try to convince me that a Camry is made better than a Malibu ???? You can't be serious ??? When the long-term reliability results from surveys conducted by Consumer Reports or Truedelta.com show proof of this, let me know. I want long-term results, not results measuring the first 90 days of ownership. rockylee: You know beter than that but that is the perception folks have. As imidazol97, has pointed out on numerous occassions that GM, cars have as few problems as Toyota's !!! Sorry, but attempting to extrapolate reliability based on Edmunds.com postings is a faulty method for a variety of reasons, and we've pointed this out numerous times. rockylee: What's frightening is we have so many ignorant people in this country. They let one issue consume their way of thinking even if it effects their wallet and way of life !!! With those two sentences, you've neatly summed up the main problems with your outlook on life. Unfortunately, I get the feeling that too many UAW members and GM management personnel share these views.
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 13, 2008 6:40 am) That is a nice thought. Just not realistic. I always felt good about our bargaining unit when we were able to police the slackers. That has nothing to do with the intelligence of the workforce. Much of it has to do with pure luck. I was lucky to get that call from RCA in 1970 offering to take me to Alaska and give me a job. Sure I had a decent job with Pacific Telephone at the time. I was ready for a change and was lucky enough to be offered the job. RCA encouraged us to have a Union. They did not want to deal with over a 1000 people on an individual basis. RCA Global was Teamster. So we ended up Teamster. It had nothing to do with all of us being any better than anyone else. In fact most of our technicians came from out of the SE. They had the experience on the Telco Equipment we were installing to give AK long distance service. your boss can't tap you on the shoulder when you are older and say your out of here without giving a reason One of the important benefits of Unions. Seniority is top importance. As long as the person is able to do the job he should not be threatened by personality issues that many times come into play. I am sure I have made a few bosses want to fire me. Though when I quit to try farming, it only took two days to get my job back with a call to my old boss. I have a hard time talking to you on these issues because as a union supporter it bothers me that you are a globalist, pseudo-capitalist !! I am a realist and you an idealist. We live in a global community. No amount of whining and crying will change that. I came to that realization in the 1970s. It may take you a while. NOTHING is going to change with a different President. They are figure heads. Obama wants to be king and he can be that as long as he does not step on the toes that put him there. And that was not the voters. It was the people that gave him nearly a billion dollars to run his WORLD WIDE campaign. You think he is not thinking globally? I would expect a GM factory in Kenya before another one gets built in Michigan. Remember he made promises all over the World. Do you think he is going to crap on any of those countries. The teamsters I know think a lot more like me than you !!! They are very pro-american, and think we need to rid ourselves of all this shoddy lead tainted goods we import from those commies !!! You need to follow the news more. We are making poker chips in the USA with up to 50% lead paint. Don't ever let a child play with poker chips. some cores were found to be as high as 50 percent lead, answering any questions as to how a clay chip hides its weight. Lead poker chips I never though of myself as having a silver spoon compared to most kids growing up You were privileged compared to myself and most people I was raised with. I have a lot more than my parents had. Both my mother and stepfather died over the last 10 years, with no money. I paid to bury both. My biological father the lifelong Democrat had plenty. Which he did not share with his first two children and ex-wife, my mother. No child support from that dyed in the wool Democrat tool & dye maker. I was raised by a Republican mother that supported us working in a sewing factory piece work. They were not Union during the war. When the Unions came in they ruined the job for the fast seamstresses. That was about the time my mom met my stepfather and left the sewing factories. I was raised to despise how Unions stole personal responsibility and freedom from the workers. My Uncles that helped support us were both Union Millwrights during the war. They also complained about the poor work ethics of the Union carpenters and millwrights. So you have been fed a lot of bull in your life when it comes to the REAL TRUTH about Unions. The UAW may have been great for your family. Was it great for the rest of the USA? Now that you want US to bail out your beloved GM. You want US to embrace the UAW that is part of the reason GM is in dire straits. Thinking ill of GM and the UAW is not Un-American. The UAW is a big part of why jobs have gone to Mexico, China & Canada. Believing you should be paid when you do not work is UN-AMERICAN. but one would think that after 8 years of that program My Union job and 401K did better during this administration until the Democrats wormed their way into control of Congress. Look at the mess the 110th Congress has made. I did not agree with Bush on most things where he was trying to appease the Democrats. Amnesty was a big one. I am taking a wait and see on the Obama Presidency. If the stock market reaction to his getting elected is any indicator. We are in DEEP DOO DOO.. PS The Union has never gotten me a job. I got my jobs and then joined the Union. |
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