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Oh ok. The lower costs of living and the access to the hardest working and best workers in america had nothing to do with it. It was all a mind $&%^ and you just figured it out! Good for you. And how is that the UAW has to convince these folks in AL, GA that they have such a bad wage at 14-40 an hour? Is that so bad? I guess not since they had a choice to work there!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe if they are lucky you'll strip them of thier job altogether and thousands can fight for a service job at Denny's. What's that Cindi Lauper song about true colors??? Your views are probably more suited for the anti-religion left wing elitist message boards. You know where if someone lives in the south or a small town then it's cool to just broadly generalize them as a non-relavent bunch of idiots. Excuse me, I think I'm going to go brainwash the staff and have them start doing my personal chores and clean my office. Maybe even my car! My Japanese car made by morons in the south. LOL O wait we live in the northeast and these folks are too smart for that...they have smarts others in the south aren't never gonna git. What's that word for vinegar and water in a squeeze bottle???
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 12, 2008 11:28 am) When we think of Japanese manufacturing, we imagine giant state-of-the art plants with robots & shiny floors, but most of Japan's industrial base is made up of little family-owned factories that employ a couple of dozen workers each. Many - probably most - of the parts in a typical Japanese car (I'm talking here about cars built in Japan - not Japanese cars built in North American plants) come from these little mom & pop shops. Their workers are non-union & don't have any more job security than their American counterparts. When times are bad & people stop buying new cars, the big Japanese manufacturers cut back on their contracts with these little shops, which then lay off their workers. Only the small number of workers lucky enough to work directly for the big names (Toyota, Honda, etc.) enjoy "guaranteed employment". In other words, the big guys contract out unemployment.
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 12, 2008 11:28 am) As opposed to believing the nonsense that is printed in Solidarity, taught at UAW camps, or spewed forth by UAW hacks...opps, I mean "economists." rockylee: The Japanese United Autoworker (JAW) make the wages and benefits that the UAW, receive look like a joke !!! Meaningless unless we also know the cost of living in Japan, which is generally higher than in the U.S. rockylee: The transplants should of never been allowed to come here in the first place !!! Yes, the true path to economic success for any country is discouraging foreign investment. After all, a car company might set up a factory in Ohio or Kentucky and use non-union labor to produce a product that is superior to what the home team is producing, and lots of Americans may decide to buy it. We couldn't have that happen, now could we! rockylee: I'm against any foreign entity owning a piece of property of the United States, because #1 it's a national security risk !!! Those Civics, Accords and Camrys rolling off the assembly line do endanger the livelihood of Americans. If they make their living repairing cars, that is. rockylee: They build the plants in the ignorant parts of the south where they could manipulate peoples minds into believing they were getting a fair shake !!! That anyone still believes that in 2008 is truly frightening...
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prepare to be frightened...these times bring em all out from woodwork
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 12, 2008 11:07 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 12, 2008 11:28 am) So they should be highly competitive, right? They build the plants in the ignorant parts of the south ...and those ignorant people build cars that are better received than the Detroit 3's offerings! Most of your transplants when they retire will end up on medicare Almost all of us will end up on Medicare who don't have gilded retirement benefits. At least the UAW, retirees aren't sucking off the system They will be if MY taxes are used to fund THEIR retirement benefits via a bailout by the US government. CEO's in Japan, only make 10-15 times their worker bee's... Here in the U.S. you are entitled 500 times + because you went to Yale, or Harvard !!! Agree with you here, where is the GM board of directors? They are in charge. Why does Wagoner "not see what would be achieved" in requiring him to leave the company?!!! If I was at my job for fourteen years and I failed miserably to have contingencies for foreseeable problems that many of my competitors did, I'd be out on the street. Blame the UAW, because they make too much money !!! That's definitely a big part of it. Why don't you blame yourself for voting in these pseudo-capitalist fools who believe in FREE TRADE So we shouldn't be able to sell to other countries? GM should quit China since that's free trade. Boeing shouldn't sell airliners to other countries (most of their business), because that's free trade. In fact, if we can't trade then we won't have enough oil to power all those Detroit 3 vehicles anyway.
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Replying to: tlong (Nov 12, 2008 3:44 pm) I don't think it has sunk in yet that those he voted in back in 2006 have done NOTHING to help the working man. Things started down hill from that election and have only gotten worse. I hear the same old rant about over paid CEOs. Well it started a long time ago and really got bad during the Dot.com bubble of the 1990s. I think we are in for a long R or D. Any attempt to cut off trade will kill a few more jobs. The UAW will have to make some HUGE concessions to revive the dying General, even with a big Federal injection of cash.
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Replying to: tlong (Nov 12, 2008 3:44 pm) I don't think Rocky really believes they shouldn't sell here, It's just that for as long as I can remember we have had a serious trade deficit. Now, some of that is good, as it means that we are consuming more than we can make on our own. But when we see good paying jobs go overseas just to "maximize profits", or when our exports are stifled by unfair trade practices (when I was in Rome in 2001, a CAN of Coke was between $3-4!!!!!! How can that be possible????) It's wrong. In China, GM does really well. But why are they required to partner up with a Chinese auto mfr??? Would we require this??? No, we wouldn't. It's these types of things that frustrate us. BTW, Cramer isn't the only one saying not to root for a failure: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081112/AUTO01/811120396/1148- /&source=nletter-business |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 12, 2008 4:13 pm) Right you are with that one. I thought their might've been an impeachment over Iraq, and the Dems just rubbing it in, trying to make the Republicans lives miserable, but all they did was sit on their hands. I mean absolutely NOTHING in any regard!!!! Maybe that was their plan, to lay low, and it worked, as they got the White House. But not w/o alot of bloodletting.
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 12, 2008 4:18 pm) How about Japan. They have never allowed foreign control of a company in Japan. Do we even have any automakers in Japan as we do in China? I don't think that we are getting the whole story. Much of the off shoring is to avoid regulations that are nearly impossible to implement. Depending on the state we have some fairly tough taxes to contend with. That is why it may be more advantageous to build a factory in Texas than Michigan or CA or China.
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