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Replying to: marsha7 (Sep 07, 2008 2:25 pm) Checkout the NRA, and you will see I'm not alone as far as democrats go supporting the 2nd amendment !!!  Why would you want to break up WalMart???...he started with one store, expanded as do many companies (Starbucks comes to mind...are you going to break up Starbucks since no one sells as much coffee as they do???), learned how to CUT COSTS in distribution (read Sam Walton's autobiography...a fascinating 2 day read where he tells what he did and how he did it) so getting mechandise into the stores more efficiently allowed him to grow...he also was one of the first to utilize computers to their fullest to run the company inventory and satellite technology... I don't hate the old man but I do strongly dislike his children and what they became. they have stabbed him in the back as far as philosophy (core values) goes. I promise you he's like a rotisery checken in his coffin !!!! He would not import shoddy, lead tainted, crap from China, just to put the locals out of business. you might need to re read that book again !!!! Just because someone gets bigger then YOU think they ought to be and they should be broken up under antitrust???...has it ever dawned on you that most of the jobs in WalMart are unskilled and barely require someone to be able to read???...stocking shelves does not require a college degree, may even be one of the few places that a high school dropout can get a job...cashier???...thanks to bar codes and scanners, dropouts can do the same thing...proof, now they have self-checkout lanes where we scan our own stuff, pay with cash and get proper change...no cashier needed!!!...how are you going to argue that cashiers are worth more than minimum wage, if that, when machines can check me out without the living cashier???...by the way, the computer rarely makes an error on change, but most cashiers, if the computer did not tell them the amount of change, could not think enough to make proper change...so much for gov't schools taught by unionized teachers, their "graduates" can't make change from a $20 bill...so rocky applauds the teachers unions, who basically "manufacture" a student that can barely read or write, similar to the UAW union junk of the last 30 years...but don't tell rocky, as long as a union member got paid, the quality of the product means nothing to him, because he wants laws that will FORCE us to buy the union product, even tho it has no value and it incompetent...private school kids and home schooled kids have no problem, but public government-unionized schools can barely graduate kids who can read "Dick & Jane"... Has it ever occured to you Rocky, hasn't been in a Wal-Mart, since he's left Texas, because up here in the north we have other wiser choices !!!! I don't care if they give some mentally, handicapped, uneducated, illegal alien, homeless, criminal, person a job. They have literally destroyed communities and the parent company will subsidize a new Wal-Mart, until it runs everyone else out of business. They should teach this business practice in Harvard, and refer to it as "Wal-Marting" your competitor !!!!!  I just hate that anti-union, rotten, smelly, company. The ones in Texas, had so many illegal aliens working in them along with illegal alien customers, I'm not sure why the ICE, didn't raid the place ??? I know theirs a job for Rocky, right ??? The ICE !!! Well I would probably blow a gasket because of how restricted the ICE, is. They virtually aren't allowed to do their jobs and I will admit to gagrice, thatisone of the main reasons why I supported his boy Duncan Hunter. One other thought...you rail at the wages at WalMart...no one ever said that clerks at WalMart would be raising a family on WalMart earnings...they never could and cannot now...rocky, just because a human shows up at a job does not mean it is worth $50K a year...cashier, as noted above, greeters and floor sweepers...who, in their right mind, thinks they will support a family on these earnings???...they are, and have always been for a little pocket money, that's all...are door greeters worth $50K???...you think if door greeters unionized they would be paid more???...one day after unionization the greeter would be replaced by a motion sensor for $10, and when you break the beam, the machine would say "Welcome to Walmart"... I agree every job has it's worth, but on the flip side you think ever job in a store or in a manufactoring plant should be paid illegal alien wages and those same people have to rob, steal, sell drugs, just to make ends meet. The proof is in the pudding. Look at any large city where once proud union industries stood and look at em' now !!!! They are crime havens !!!! That, rocky, is your mental handicap that you are incapable of overcoming...you think the kid selling lemonade on the corner should be able to buy a home and 2 cars from what s/he makes from 25 cent glasses of lemonade...you have no conception that many jobs are simply of little value...AND you expect too much...where is it written that everyone deserves a home, 2 cars, plasma TV, Armani suits, an iPhone for $500, satellite TV, yada, yada, yada...even in your own life you simply EXPECT that any job, no matter how menial, should give someone an income to support a $500K home, full with pool and servants...that expectation is where your union welfare mentality comes into play, and will hold you back forever... You have taken what I said and went off the deep end and only Michael Phelps, can save you !!!!  I believe that this country can pay a fair minimum wage, one that allows a person to have a modest apartment and be able to feed themselves. Hell you can't hardly do that on $14 an/hr. now days in most places.  rocky: SOME JOBS SIMPLY HAVE LITTLE VALUE AND PAY LITTLE BECAUSE OF THAT...NOT BECAUSE SAM WALTON WAS CHEAP, BUT BECAUSE A DOOR GREETER IS NOT EVEN WORTH MINIMUM WAGE FROM THE GIT-GO, BUT WHO, OTHER THAN SAM, EVEN THOUGHT TO HAVE DOOR GREETERS IN HIS STORES??? Door Greeters.......Come-on, some of those people that greeted me looked like they just got out of the pen !!!!  I can only guess when they created the concept of rose colored glasses, somebody was thinking of you... LOL, well the same could be said about the world you live in !!! I know Alanta, isn't suffering the economic affects as we are here in Michigan, but even Alanta, has a pretty strong union base mainly developed by the large African American, population. Good luck in the job hunt... Thanks, I'm going to need it appears........ "The Rock"
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Replying to: duke23 (Sep 07, 2008 7:06 pm) As long as it's hooked up to a Nuclear Power Plant, to supply the electrical current I'd want to run through that fence !!! "The Rock"
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Replying to: duke23 (Sep 07, 2008 7:20 pm) I remember and still see old people working beyond their retirement years. Some do it for something to do and others don't have a choice. Some old folks have to cut their pills like a piece of pie just so they can stay alive another day. For many it's not by choice. We can blame he, she, or whatever else as to why some don't have squat. My great uncle invested his money in different area's and didn't make the return he expected. He also lost a lot of his money to his ex wife, faced economic down turns in his small automobile mechanics business. He tried and never expected the price to live to rise to such levels. "The Rock" |
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Replying to: duke23 (Sep 07, 2008 9:39 pm) duke23, If that's the case then why have anything left here in the U.S. ???? Why build a damn thing here ??? China, India, can do it cheaper. Hell why were at it why don't we pay the Chinese, to serve our cause in Iraq, since they will do it cheaper. Hell I'm sure we can convince then if they got a arm blown off or leg missing they are on their own !!! That is why some economist, are such idiots and need a UAW made noose, along with a floored UAW-Made GMC Sierra Denali with a rope attached to the noose and hitch !!! What ever is the cheapest right, Mises !!!!  -Rocky
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UAW, automaker to talk strategy Ford Motor Co. and the UAW will host an annual meeting this week in Dearborn, starting Tuesday. Hundreds of leaders from UAW-represented Ford facilities across the country and from Ford will discuss the state of the company and the company's strategy for the future. There will also be training events for the union officials. Coming up: Ford CEO Alan Mulally is to address Inforum on Monday, delivering a keynote luncheon speech for the professional women's alliance at Ford's Conference and Events Center in Dearborn. Lawyer writes of support for loans A Royal Oak lawyer who has worked on immigration issues for Chrysler has taken issue with a Los Angeles Times editorial, "Bail Out the Big Three?" that criticized efforts in Congress to give loans to automakers. Steven Roby wrote a response printed in the Times that noted that U.S. automakers are burdened with growing health care costs that foreign automakers don't have to bear. Foreign automakers are helped by government subsidies and protectionist trade, tax and currency rules, Roby said. "No free market actually exists in the automotive sector -- never has, never will," he wrote. Coming up: Jim Press, a Chrysler president and vice chairman, is to speak at the APA luncheon Wednesday. 18 models to get 30 m.p.g. or more For 2009, GM said it will offer 18 models getting at least 30 m.p.g. on the highway: Chevrolet: Aveo sedan, Aveo5 (34 m.p.g. with automatic or manual); Cobalt coupe and sedan (30 m.p.g. for SS Turbocharged; 33 m.p.g. for 2.2-liter automatic); Cobalt XFE (37); Malibu 2.4 liter (30 m.p.g. with four-speed automatic; 33 m.p.g. with six-speed); Malibu Hybrid (34), HHR (30 with 2.2 liter and automatic or manual) and HHR Panel (30 with 2.2 liter and automatic or manual). Pontiac: G5 (33 m.p.g. automatic, 35 manual); G5 GT (32 m.p.g. automatic, 35 m.p.g. manual), G5 XFE coupe (37); G6 2.4-liter sedan (30 m.p.g. with four-speed automatic, 33 m.p.g. with six-speed); Vibe (1.8-liter model, 31 with automatic, 32 with manual). Saturn: Astra 5-door, Astra 3-door (all 30 m.p.g. with automatic, 32 with manual); Aura four-cylinder (33); Aura Hybrid (34), and Vue Hybrid (32). Coming up: GM celebrates its 100th anniversary Sept. 16. http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080907/BUSINESS06/809070398/10- 19/BUSINESS -Rocky |
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Replying to: rockylee (Sep 07, 2008 10:04 pm) So when you conduct that experiment in the US, the outcome is likely to be the same - i.e. reduction in choice, higher costs, and ultimately a less competitive economy. The outcome (for the world's most powerful country) can be even worse if other countries continue to trade with each other, and US simply gets cut ouf of the global economy. Also, this experiment is easier to conduct in poorer countries (where the accompanying inefficiencies are not clearly visible due to their already low level of productivity), but in a rich country like the US, the downward adjustment of living standards would be near-cataclysmic in the first few years. Of course, you would have the satisfaction of everthing being "Made in USA", and a high level of public sector employment (since Governments tend to play a much larger role in such controlled economies). I experienced that in India, and trust me, it is not fun. But yes, it is a matter of philosophical preference, so I am aware that I cannot convince you.....as you cannot convince me. |
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if everything was made here the wages for everything would go up as a consequence thus the economic internal trade life cycle of the U.S. economy would flourish like it did in the 1950's. My previous post was referring to Rocky's statement above - but I feel Rocky you have two issues going on : 1.Globalisation causing job losses 2. CEOs getting a much bigger share of the value that the company generates. My post was related to 1, and my argument is that not globalizing has some very serious consequences, which you underestimate. Hence my example of experiences in India (the trickle down theory does not work well in a closed economy....). 2 has nothing to do with globalisation, but is a part of the American dream. Look at Fannie and Freddie - nothing can be more domestic than them, yet the CEOs who drove them into the ground will be leaving with generous severance packages (Daniel Mudd gets 10 Mn USD for waking away from Fannie) while the tax payers will be left with the bill. So if you have strong feelings about 2, no need to blame globalisation for that. Other global companies do not have that problem.
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Replying to: rockylee (Sep 07, 2008 11:12 pm) Ain't it the truth, brother! I live with it every day. I'm sure if all these young guys out here had decent-paying union jobs, they wouldn't be out there slingin' rocks and getting locked-up or Glock'd-up! So many great industries have up and left Philly: Budd, General Electric, Merck & Co., Botany 500, After Six, Philco, Whitman Chocolates, Stetson Hat, Baldwin Locomotive, Dodge Steel...and the list goes on and on. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Sep 07, 2008 11:15 pm) If they don't let the immigration officers do their jobs, don't surprised if someday there won't be roving bands of vigilantes just shooting illegals for sport and leaving their carcasses to rot in the Mojave Desert. |
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From the Philadelphia newspaper: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080907_Editorial__The_Economy_People_ar- e_hurting.html |
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