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Replying to: grbeck (Aug 14, 2008 11:37 am) Any UAW interest or are we done in here (again)? |
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Transfer rights for IUE/CWA union at Moraine plant I'm always on topic so I'll get it going again.  The local Moraine truck plant likely to be closing has stalled on contract talks with workers. They want rights to transfer to UAW plants as the truck plant slows down over the next two years
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I was brought up under sociolism and came to the states just over 20 years ago. What is your opinion on the Swedish system of government? We have very strong UAW members here that think the Swedish system is superior to the USA.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Aug 14, 2008 5:09 pm) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 14, 2008 5:13 pm) 
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Replying to: grbeck (Aug 14, 2008 11:43 am) |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Aug 14, 2008 7:13 pm) My daughter worked part time at WalMart for a year. She did not get a penny from welfare. No Food Stamps or free health care. Where do I sign up? I forgot, you have to be an illegal alien. Maybe if you have a link on that $2000 claim for each WalMart employee it would help. How many UAW workers that have been laid off are collecting welfare instead of getting a different job or going back to school? This whole bit of whining about the UAW losing jobs is getting old. Being part of the Telephone industry, we went through this a long time ago. Early buyouts as technology gobbled up the jobs. Friends I worked with in the 1960s were without a job and were not offered the golden parachute offered 1000s of UAW workers. Whether technology eliminates your job or the Chinese or the Bulgarians. It is each persons responsibility to get out and hustle up a new job if you cannot afford to retire. All this talk of socialism makes me sick to my stomach. What a bunch of losers the socialists are. They want big brother to tell them when to use the restroom.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Aug 14, 2008 7:13 pm) And how much of this is because of misplaced priorities on the part of the wage earners? Which is more important - tatoos, fancy wheels, nail jobs and cell phones, or the basics? Hint - if you can get the basics for free, or at greatly reduced prices, you'll take advantage of that opportunity in order to purchase products that are hardly necessities. My wife and I see this ALL the time. My wife was a social worker, and now teaches school in a poor, urban school district. Her students are special education students, which means she has to work closely with the families, and some of her aides are former welfare recipients. Let's just say that, when it comes to explaining why the poor are poor, she isn't blaming George Bush, Republicans, rich people, Walmart or the Chinese. But then she has the benefit of firsthand experience in dealing with the working poor (and the non-working poor). Also note that retail has been largely the province of part-time workers long before Walmart became a retail powerhouse on the national scene. dallasdude: I'm very doubtful that if everyone had UAW wages/benefits that they would burden the social services. And Walmart would be competing with Bloomingdales and Neiman-Marcus, because of the prices it would have to charge to make any money. Do you realize how razor-thin the margins are in retail? Walmart makes money based on the VOLUME of goods sold, not on a large profit on the sale of each good. Given that GM can't afford UAW-level benefits, one wonders how a low-margin business such as Walmart is supposed to be able to. dallasdude: So if the taxpayer pays for these services via the property taxes or if Walmart provides these services and the cost is reflective/factored in the goods purchased there is the argument here. $2000 of social services per employee has not ever been refuted by anyone as the best estimate of the cost the taxpayer is burdened by each Walmart employee. So it appears that products priced at Walmart are cheaper than they really are. Even if you rent property taxes are factored into the rent. If you are really concerned about this, then you will make the purchase of health insurance mandatory for employees, and you will abolish mandates that drive up the cost of insurance policies. Mandating the coverage of certain disease and conditions in EVERY policy drives up the cost of premiums, and increases the ranks of the uninsured. Here in Pennsylvania, we recently mandated coverage of autism for ALL insurance policies. Great - except that the biggest group of uninsured is healthy 20-somethings, and what they really need is stipped-down policies that cover catastrophic problems (cancer, etc.). But now every policy they purchase covers autism, which means they are paying for this (and it isn't cheap), even if they are single and childless. Also, given that the UAW is pushing for nationalized health care, you still haven't satisfactorily answered my question as to how this will magically eliminate those costs for taxpayers, given that said taxpayers will still be paying for other people's care under a nationalized plan. dallasdude: The products purchased there may be the results of exploited children. However the products (fruits of child labor) are sold by Americans to Americans and the ill gotten gains/profits go to the share holders. You're mixing apples and oranges. The origin of various products has no bearing on whether Walmart employees have health insurance. And note that all Americans are free to purchase Walmart stock - including employees. Also note that store managers can make decent money at Walmart. And, to head off the next inevitable red herring, since this is an automobile website - neither the Chinese nor Walmart make vehicles that are currently available for sale in the U.S. All reputable experts agree that the Chinese will not be ready for primetime (meaning, entry into the U.S. market) for another 10-15 years. They are therefore not responsible for the decline and possible fall of GM, Ford and Chrysler, even though these two entities regularly pop up in any discussion centered on the woes of the domestic auto industry. GM, Ford and Chrysler, in partnership with the UAW, brought their problems on themselves. Although, if you are really worried about the use of people's tax dollars, then I'm sure you will be against any federal bailout of the Big Three and the UAW, as people who have bought Toyotas, Hondas, BMWs, etc., have already voted on how much money they want to give the domestics and the UAW. Which looks like a big, fat "0" to me. |
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