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Re: steve host and others [dallasdude1]
by grbeck
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Aug 14, 2008 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Aug 13, 2008 6:48 pm)
dallasdude: Sears was the number one retailer. Now we have Walmart and part time employees.dallasdude: Those employees (on average) use $2000 a year each in social services paid for with tax revenues, because their wages make them indigents.
They use those programs because the eligibility requirements have been steadily adjusted UPWARDS over the years. I see this all the time in my job. Recently, Governor Rendell attempted to introduce a program for low-cost health insurance that would have been available to families making almost $80,000 per year. Even in the Philadelphia region (the state's highest cost region), that is still a good income for a family of four.
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Re: Job Applicant [dallasdude1]
by grbeck
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Aug 14, 2008 (11:48 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Aug 13, 2008 6:32 pm)
dallasdude: Was Nixon vice president under DDE? His own father in-law (DDE) wouldn't endorse him? Or was his daughter married to an Eisenhower?
Nixon was Dwight Eisenhower's vice president. His daughter, Julie, married Dwight Eisenhower's grandson. They are still married today, and live in suburban Philadelphia, if I recall correctly.
I recall that Dwight Eisenhower did endorse him for president in 1960, although Eisenhower really wasn't all that fond of him.
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Re: Job Applicant [grbeck]
by steve_ HOST
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Aug 14, 2008 (11:51 am)
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Replying to: grbeck (Aug 14, 2008 11:37 am)
I think some of y'all are looking for the The Race to the White House discussion.
Any UAW interest or are we done in here (again)?
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Back to UAW
by imidazol97
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Aug 14, 2008 (5:09 pm)
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Transfer rights for IUE/CWA union at Moraine plant
I'm always on topic so I'll get it going again. 
The local Moraine truck plant likely to be closing has stalled on contract talks with workers. They want rights to transfer to UAW plants as the truck plant slows down over the next two years
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Re: rocky [kay14]
by gagrice
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Aug 14, 2008 (5:13 pm)
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I was brought up under sociolism and came to the states just over 20 years ago.
What is your opinion on the Swedish system of government? We have very strong UAW members here that think the Swedish system is superior to the USA.
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Re: Back to UAW [imidazol97]
by gagrice
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Aug 14, 2008 (5:26 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Aug 14, 2008 5:09 pm)
Do you really think that GM will negotiate that close to closing the plant? They are better off dealing with the long term members and early retirement.
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Re: rocky [gagrice]
by kay14
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Aug 14, 2008 (5:52 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 14, 2008 5:13 pm)
I am a die-hard sociolist to this day - a retired school teacher. Sociolism is alive and well in american schools. It has its ups and downs, but I still do not understand the american concept of democrat and republican.... why do they not call them sociolists and capitalists? In Europe, what americans call democrats are called sociolists. I think maybe this next election will bring America around to sociolism. I am not sure how it will initially work with the american mindset, however. FREE to americans means something totally different than to Europeans. FREE to americans means take all you can. IF food was free - how much would you weigh (until the food ran out); IF gas was free - how many miles would you have on your car (until no gas available); and IF healthcare is free - how long do you think you will wait for services? I hope sociolism works in america, but the mindset of "free" will have to change some. America's strong desire to be sociolist may come with some pains, but will come. As for the government in Sweden, it is much like the usa - government regulation and control of the general population for the good of the general population. America will adjust.. If you vote for it you will adjust to it and like it. The dentist who wrote here earlier about the classes of people with free care is my only concern... Americans place value on things according to what they pay.... It will come with time 
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Re: steve host and others [grbeck]
by dallasdude1
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Aug 14, 2008 (7:13 pm)
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Replying to: grbeck (Aug 14, 2008 11:43 am)
I was reffering to Walmart associates using the county hospital, food stamps, and other emergency social services. Insurance which is paid for doesn't cost the taxpayers anything. I'm very doubtful that if everyone had UAW wages/benefits that they would burden the social services. So if the taxpayer pays for these services via the property taxes or if Walmart provides these services and the cost is reflective/factored in the goods purchased there is the argument here. $2000 of social services per employee has not ever been refuted by anyone as the best estimate of the cost the taxpayer is burdened by each Walmart employee. So it appears that products priced at Walmart are cheaper than they really are. Even if you rent property taxes are factored into the rent. We can all agree that these jobs can't be shipped overseas and done by exploited children. The products purchased there may be the results of exploited children. However the products (fruits of child labor) are sold by Americans to Americans and the ill gotten gains/profits go to the share holders.
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