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Replying to: rockylee (Aug 12, 2008 1:04 am) I don't know how far $15-$17 goes in Michigan, but it'll only get you just over a subsistence living here in Philly. It'll get you a one-bedroom apartment in a marginal Lower NE neighborhood and a hooptie with minimum insurance. Entertainment will be cheap beer at the corner tavern and the antics of the drunks in said tavern. Forget about shopping at any place more upscale than Target. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Aug 12, 2008 1:04 am) Family is west of Flint and I live in a suburb of Detroit. The majority of UAW-GM making $27/hour is still there in the plants that are open. GM is not Delphi. They have been going bankrupt for years. GM just got the agreement last year and it is going into effect now. The guys are leaving the plants now that took the buy outs but again most did not leave till now. |
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"Daimler wanted to get their hands on Chrysler's huge cash reserves"... Help me out with this...if Daimler paid $40 billion (is that right???) for Chrysler, how could the "huge cash reserves" be of any help unless they bought reserves over the sale price???...did any US automaker ever have THAT much in cash reserves??? Then they sold them to Cerberus for $7 billion...I wonder how MB came out the winner on this...please educate me...I must be missing some facts... |
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Replying to: rockylee (Aug 12, 2008 12:49 am) What is scary is people like you believe Obama, a product of Chicago politics. Probably the most corrupt city in the USA over the last 75 years. McCain I have some idea of what to expect. Obama I have none. He talks like a miniature Carter. You are too young to remember how that man devastated this country financially as well as emotionally. Not everyone is stuck in a poor job with little future like the UAW workers. To suggest that GW Bush has had anything to do with the downfall of the UAW and the Big 3 is laughable. NAFTA was laid out long ago and will continue to evolve. Our best bet is to learn to live with it. Congress would have to change it. There was NO legislation in the 110th addressing ANY issue with NAFTA that I could find. Obama could have offered legislation to rescind NAFTA as a Senator. What makes you think he would do anything as President? You seem to be against the War in Iraq. How many UAW jobs do you think are directly tied to supplying that war effort? I would bet the Big 3 have some pretty lucrative contracts tied to the war effort. My guess is after 4 years of Obama Michigan and the UAW will be in worse shape.
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did you fly out to Seattle or did Boeing reps hold a job fair there in St.Louis? IBEW, eh? Well, you're not new to unions, couldn't be too bad, huh? 
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 12, 2008 2:14 pm) Gagrice, I respect your point of view !!! I don't believe Obama, is going to fix everything wrong with this country but I however believe because he is from Chicago, he will have a greater understanding of how working class people live and work. What experience does Senator McCain, have besides being a P.O.W. one of the few things I respect about him ??? The fact that we already know what to expect from McCain, well scares the hell out of me !!! I'm not blaming Bush, for the big 3's collapse or the UAW's decline in membership but the guy did not take action to address these issues. If anything the pseudo-capitalist, Bush Jr. made the problems worst by allowing his big oil buddies to gouge us at the pumps for 8 years which has lead to the big 3 bleeding red ink.  Our best bet is to learn to live with it. Congress would have to change it. There was NO legislation in the 110th addressing ANY issue with NAFTA that I could find. Obama could have offered legislation to rescind NAFTA as a Senator. What makes you think he would do anything as President? There is to many pseudo-capitalist in both party's to change it and you know damn well Bush, would veto it thus what is the point of wasting time by drawing up such a bill ??? You seem to be against the War in Iraq. How many UAW jobs do you think are directly tied to supplying that war effort? I would bet the Big 3 have some pretty lucrative contracts tied to the war effort. Yeah, gagrice I don't believe in starting wars over oil a out-dated fuel source !!! I was never against the war in Afghanistan, and originally supported the war in Iraq, until the truth finally started to come out. You ask how many UAW do I think are tied to this war ??? Well not very many !!! A couple of thousand maybe !!! I'll ask you this gagrice, how many union jobs have been lost since the war kicked off ????  My guess is after 4 years of Obama Michigan and the UAW will be in worse shape Well I've lived most of my life under republican rule and the best economic times I've seen which wasn't perfect by any means but it was under some democrat from Arkansas ! -Rocky
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Replying to: rockylee (Aug 12, 2008 1:04 am) I don't work for GM or Delphi - I'm a Chrysler employee in the St. Louis area. I honestly thought the other day that you meant they earn MORE than $27/hr. Anyway, the production workers where I'm at earn around $29/hr in addition to any COLA (cost of living allowance) and shift premium. I wouldn't think there would be that much of a difference in GM wages. At any rate, I will not be with the UAW much longer. I received a call from Boeing earlier today and I have until August 18 to accept or reject their offer of a job, doing approximately the same work I had been doing and a starting salary close to what I'd been at after nearly 25 years with Chrysler. Hmm...should I take a layoff in October and unemployment checks with an uncertain future or a steady job with great benefits and promising future - a tough decision. I might add that no import car will ever be found in my garage, no matter where I work. The UAW helped me get to where I am today.
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Replying to: tedebear (Aug 12, 2008 4:50 pm) You're Union, You're Proven. Hang tough, and God speed and good luck with the new job. Nobody will ever convince me that we union guys can't do things better, faster, and safer than the rest. |
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Aug 12, 2008 3:30 pm) It was all done locally by local hiring people. I'm hoping there are not a lot of job transfers to other areas of the country on a regular basis. That's the main reason I was seeking employment in the same area I've lived in all my life. I wish I had a crystal ball and could look 5 years into the future to see what happened with Chrysler, the UAW, etc. It's tough to walk away from a job I've had for nearly 25 years but sometimes the tough decisions are the best ones to make. I'm going to try and delay my actual termination until the company comes out with a buyout or early retirement offer, probably in September from what I've heard. I can do that by using my 5 weeks of vacation and maybe a personal leave of absence if I had to extend it. |
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