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Re: fintail [grbeck] by fintail
Aug 11, 2008 (7:34 am)
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Replying to: grbeck (Aug 11, 2008 7:18 am)

Everybody claims change, but few produce it. The neocons have produced shamefully little positive change (not that their opponents have done otherwise). Just like change by the big 2.5 has been mostly too little too late for the past decade.
 
I think most Americans would buy everything at Wal-Mart and send more money to China if given the chance. There's no thought of a future in so many people.
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Re: fintail [fintail] by grbeck
Aug 11, 2008 (7:58 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 11, 2008 7:34 am)

fintail: I think most Americans would buy everything at Wal-Mart and send more money to China if given the chance. There's no thought of a future in so many people.
 
Except that, when it comes to autos, people are choosing the MORE EXPENSIVE option (price a Honda Accord against an Impala, or even a Malibu).
 
There is no evidence that "cheap" is the path to long-term success in the auto industry, or that people are buying the cheapest option all the time.
 
If anything, the trend has been the exact opposite.
 
The domestics have learned that cost-cutting will come back to bite them in the you-know-what (Ford, at least, has appeared to learn this). They have learned this the hard way.
 
Even Hyundai is having trouble overcoming its bad reputation earned by selling lots of cheap cars that fell apart within a 3-4 years, despite much-improved vehicles.
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Re: fintail [grbeck] by circlew
Aug 11, 2008 (8:26 am)
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Replying to: grbeck (Aug 11, 2008 7:18 am)

I'm thinking that if Americans wanted to bail out, say, GM, they could go to their local GM dealer and buy a vehicle at full sticker. They obviously aren't doing that.
 
Bail Out = Cop Out. Banks or Autos. Period.
 
BTW, you know it's bad when you can get 0% financing on Corvette!
 
'Vette Fire Sale ON Now!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: fintail [grbeck] by fintail
Aug 11, 2008 (8:38 am)
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Replying to: grbeck (Aug 11, 2008 7:58 am)

As long as incomes support this and they can support the debt loads, yes. But real incomes have not been rising.
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Re: fintail [circlew] by cooterbfd
Aug 11, 2008 (1:03 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Aug 11, 2008 8:26 am)

.......0% financing on Corvette!
  
Well, now's your chance.
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Re: housekeeping [steve_] by tedebear
Aug 11, 2008 (2:28 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 11, 2008 7:19 am)

I was going to post that the Daimler/Chrysler merger was a UAW plot to ruin the quality of M-B
 
Oh, don't even get me started about Daimler's "merge of equals", when instead all they did was rob the Chrysler piggy bank for years until it was empty and then they ran back to Germany.
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Re: housekeeping [tedebear] by gagrice
Aug 11, 2008 (5:22 pm)
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Replying to: tedebear (Aug 11, 2008 2:28 pm)

My perception was that Daimler looked at Jeep and the Mini van sales and thought it was going to be a money maker. Who's fault is it that they did not continue to dominate those groups? My understanding is that Chrysler was still doing all their own development in Detroit. I have a friend that is a web designer working for them in Detroit. They paid close to $40 billion for Chrysler and what did they get for the 80% interest they sold to Cerberus? I think it was only $7 billion. Not a good investment on the surface.
 
Personally I think it was a mistake for both. They both seemed to be dragged down by the merger/purchase. Were any UAW contracts lost in that whole deal?
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Re: pay rates [62vetteefp] by tedebear
Aug 11, 2008 (6:39 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Aug 11, 2008 4:01 am)

Give me a break Rock. I know they are still there because my brother is doing it. In a year it will be a different story. Many are being bought out and my brother is taking early retirement in October.
 
Actually, I interpreted his statement as meaning that they make MORE than $27/hr. I rub elbows with UAW production workers on a daily basis and I have a pretty good idea of what their hourly wage is.
 
Steve posted a link the other day about 900 Chrysler workers in Fenton losing their jobs. That hits home, as I'm one of them.
 
As I mentioned in the past, I'm waiting for a buyout offer or early retirement package. After nearly 25 years with the company I don't want to leave without anything. Sitting around collecting unemployment benefits and SUB pay may sound nice but that's over a 50% pay cut for me. Plus, if the company sells out, files bankruptcy, etc., that SUB pay is on shaky ground.
 
I had an interview with Boeing last Friday. I was told it would last one hour. It ended up lasting nearly 1.5 hours as I sat there being grilled by 4 interviewers. To me that's a positive sign. I figure if they didn't like me at the start I would have been out of there the first 20-25 minutes. The job is affiliated with the IBEW (oh no, another union).

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