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Replying to: rockylee (Aug 09, 2008 5:40 pm) Give me a break Rock. I know they are still there because my brother is doing it. In a year it will be a different story. Many are being bought out and my brother is taking early retirement in October. My point is that GM has concessions coming in from the UAW but most have not taken effect yet and the concessions have not really hit the bottom line yet. Most of the high paid, old time workers are still there in the 2nd quarter. GM did not cut the pay of any current workers. They are still getting full health care. Again, in a year it will be a different story.
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 10, 2008 9:36 pm) When a nation discourages their people from having children as has been the case in parts of the EU and the USA, it leaves room for immigrants to come in and take those jobs left vacant. Immigration is fine if the people assimilate into society. As you have pointed out that is not happening in many EU countries. Those immigrants get the low paying jobs and become the poor of that country. I think we can equate that to what is happening in the USA. I am reading about Jefferson's striving to keep the US an agrarian society. He was trying to avoid the pitfalls in Great Britain of being industrialized and jammed into cities. I think he was right. We may have ultimately been better off trading corn for cars. Leave all the dirty work for other countries. That is where we are headed right now. Problem is we have built homes on some of the most productive crop land in the USA. the worker will always get the most blame for a shoddy product. If your home has shoddy workmanship, do you blame the guy that drew up the plans or the guy swinging the hammer? I do think it is simplistic to blame the UAW for poorly designed cars. I think you can blame them for less than great fit and finish. Mainly because of the contractual language that kept the automakers from changing to more modern methods. |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Aug 11, 2008 4:01 am) Thank you for setting the record straight. The idea that buyouts and early retirement is something that only the UAW has faced is totally wrong. They are just the latest. All during the 1990s companies such as AT&T, ARCO and IBM were offering early retirement to employees with a lot of seniority. I know this because friends took the buyouts. ARCO offered some great packages in Alaska to their employees before Bill Clinton allowed them to be gobbled up by the foreign Oil company BP. The same guys came back to work in Prudhoe as contract labor. Some made more money as consultants than they had before. Most made less with less benefits. The biggest difference was ARCO was a very friendly company to work for. More like one big family. Under BP it was a dictatorship. They got people to spy on each other and the whole business of searching rooms came about. There used to be laws against controlling foreign ownership of our companies. They should still be in place. All part of Globalization I am sure. Who allowed Daimler to buy Chrysler and start its downward spiral?
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EVERYBODY is about change. Just like every vehicle is suddently being touted for its wonderful fuel economy - including the Tahoe(!) I saw in the Chevy ad last night. What is Obama's mantra ? Hope and Change." Sorry, but I have a hard time believing that a legislator schooled in the muck-and-mire of urban Chicago politics is going to change anything for the better. An examination of his platform reveals more of the same old stuff, including a big fat bailout for the Big Three. I'm thinking that if Americans wanted to bail out, say, GM, they could go to their local GM dealer and buy a vehicle at full sticker. They obviously aren't doing that. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 11, 2008 5:45 am) Let's try to relate stuff to the UAW please. Thanks.
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