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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 12, 2008 12:50 pm) Andy Carnegie was a swell fella in that he made great contributions to society with the money he made from those who sweat-ed blood at the steel mill. I'm amazed at the way people idolize the wealthy and look down on the poor. I can't respect rich wicked people. Soros, Buffet, Gates, and others are very different than those titans of industry prior. I do respect their views and agree with them in many respects. Today we are under attack by the near to do, a group of pathetic folks who aspire to be great and or parasites on humanity. They are compassionate conservatives very much like that drug addict Rush. They expect the masses to do as they say, all the while they are doing the opposite. Those who take what others fought to get for granted are the slackers who give us all a bad name. Union and non union we all have benefited from the past generations. The labor movement has come along way. God help those who disrespect our humble beginnings. Much suffering by good union folks and their families have built what many take for granted. Sorry for my pontification. I just had to get it off my chest. Basically I do agree with your views and insight. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 12, 2008 12:50 pm) I respectably disagree. There is a lot government can do but you haven't seen it because we are a nation now built on the money of the pseudo-capitalist, instead of what is good for the overall country !!! I have finally grown up in the last 15 months and have realized first hand just how much this nation revolves around money. If you or a family memeber have enough of it the laws of the state do not apply to you !!!! Right from wrong doesn't matter either if you have enough C-Notes !!!  The only hope is that the majority of people in this country will fight back and tell their masters they've had enough. The UAW, was one example of this. They told the Big 3 you aren't going to treat us like slaves and while they have been losing the fight as of late folks, I personally believe the greed of corporate america will bring unions like the UAW, back from the dead. I might not see it until I'm a old man or gone but I believe that day will come. I also believe that capitalist are getting so greedy that socialist values will take root here in america, much sooner than later because you can only kick a dog for so long before he bites back !!!  -Rocky |
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Replying to: rockylee (Jul 14, 2008 12:35 am) Seems to me that socialist values are already deep rooted with many. Take from those that have worked hard to get ahead and give to those that either do nothing or simply coast through life. Then you have two classes, the very well off and everybody else. Consider the Democratic party with all their welfare programs. Tax the hell out of the middle class and give it to the "POOR". Consider the UAW with their thinking that a guy installing lug nuts is "Entitled" to as much as the person with tons of education and responsibility. Along that line of thinking, shouldn't the people cooking burgers and handling the food we eat be just as "entitled"? How about, "Welcome to Walmart. I'm not skilled or educated, but I'm making $30 per hour, just like all our other employees . That $10 item you wanted is now $68." Of course Walmart will soon close it's doors, because folks can't afford the prices or the fuel to drive there. Our money becomes virtually worthless in the world market. Exports never leave our docks because other countries can't afford our goods, and oil cost us $600 a barrel instead of $150. Companies that are still "hanging on" will be bought up (hostile takeover) with much more valuable Euro or Yen. Think Anhauser Bush. But that's OK because everybody got their $30 per hour, ... a couple of times. Now congress is seriously considering a $300 Billion help package for those greedy enough to think they could afford a house way over their ability to pay for. That is another $300 Billion we can borrow from China. But that is OK too! As long as that unskilled person can live just like the skilled ones. Until it all comes crashing down. Socialism! Kip |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Jul 11, 2008 8:59 pm) That saying is attributed to Nikita Khrushchev, but it would've been more appropriate had it been said by Chairman Mao! I think our collective neck is already in the noose made from a cheap Chinese-manufactured nylon rope. Let's hope that rope is of such poor quality it breaks when the trap door falls out from below our feet. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Jul 14, 2008 12:35 am) How bad do you think it will have to get? Will it be when you are not allowed to take a potty break or even wipe the sweat from you eyes. Look at the difference between now and 70 years ago. You are thinking wages and benefits are the most important thing. The Unions came about because of slave like working conditions. I don't think that is the case today in any Union shop. As far as Socialism goes. It will not help the "Working Man". It is to help those that are supposedly unable to work. It is taking from the working man and giving to those below him on the food chain. You need to look back at your tax returns before the Bush tax cuts and ask yourself, Do I want to pay as much as I did back then? Obama and or Hillary would do away with those tax cuts. The "Bush tax cuts" cut taxes all the way to the bottom tax payer. That would include you and I. Don't expect any candidate to get us out of the global economy. We are there and will have to live within it. That means we lose while others gain. Socialism on a global scale. Should make the Dems and Republicans both happy, as it does not hurt the wealthy.
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Please face the simple truth...rocky believes that jobs simply will not exist, and neither will decent earnings, unless there is a union to think for the worker...someday, rocky, when you REALLY grow up, you will learn that even in the union haeyday, they only represented about 25% (???) of the workforce, certainly less today... Unions are proud they have the right to strike...well, finally, employers have rights to retaliate...move the plant down South or offshore...now take your strike and walk your signs, your job is gone, AND YOU PUSHED IT AWAY...PLANTS leaving is YOUR fault, plain and simple...say goodbye to unions... |
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Unions are proud they have the right to strike...well, finally, employers have rights to retaliate My wife's stepfather was a driver for Greyhound. Back in the 80's sometime, the union decided to go on strike. Like Reagan and the air traffic controllers, the company fired all the drivers and replaced them. Fortunately, my stepfather in law was able to retire with a full pension, so he and my MIL live comfortably in Cheyenne, WY. My step daughter works summers and holidays at the local store of a national grocery chain. She is part of the union, and pays dues from each paycheck. Not once have they done anything beneficial for her. In fact, when she returned to work after her first year away at college, they wanted to collect back dues from her, which would have made her already small paycheck even smaller. Oh, and the union clogs up our mailbox and voice mail with needless "informative" messages like CC and insurance offers. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Jul 14, 2008 12:35 am) Rocky, I agree 100%. Employees can, and should, fight back. The difference in our opinions of the subject is on result of this issue. I can, and have, told my employer to treat me better. The key is that I knew I had the job performance and track record to back it up. So if the employer said No I would have gladly left (and have done so in the past at other employers). The thing is that I have enough confidence in myself and my abilities that I am willing to stand up for my rights as an employee. But my employer has a right to tell me off and say no. And I can't cry foul or go on strike and expect to keep my job. It is my right and responsibility at that point to leave and find another employer. And if no other employers will take my demands, then I have to either find a new career or suck it up. I applaud the UAW for its history and what it did to help break the cycle of employee abuse and indentured servitude like work in this country. The UAW succeeded. The problem is that it is now trying to make more demands which their employers, and many of your own peers (us dissenters on the board  , disagree with. If the UAW were to evolve and change I think a lot of us dissenters would applaud them and support them. But we can't support the "entitle everyone to the same! High wages for uneducated and low skill workers! Pay us more than others in related industries!" mindset that we feel the UAW pushes every day.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 14, 2008 6:10 am) All the while we trade with a communist nation, who disrespect copyrights/patents, has no environmental regard, exploits child/prison labor, and you name it. Why don't we trade with Cuba? Because they don't have one fifth of the worlds future consumers. Big corporations are doing a brilliant job lobbying. China supports a inefficient steel industry in order to retain JOBS. This is against globalization. Globalization states that capital will move to its most efficient use. As such when the govt funds an industry, it puts people out of work in the efficient industry. Then there is mention that govt is being used to bail out those folks who can't afford those homes. Spare me please. Its more like they are again bailing the ones who made the ill-fated loans (banks and mortgage companies). All the while the CEOs of the banks and mortgage companies are enjoying more that union wages. So please fix this system from the top down and quit picking on the working stiff. Recently the extension of unemployment benefits was defeated on the hill. All the while the bail out of these big companies was passed.
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