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Re: UAW and Toyota.. [gagrice] by dtownfb
Apr 24, 2007 (12:50 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 24, 2007 8:24 am)

I read all of these housing reports and they always point to CA, NJ, NY, etc. I live in south central PA. Our market is dictated by folks who are looking for affordable housing from Maryland. They are willing to travel 45 minutes to be able to afford a decent house and low crime. Once they decide to continue the light rail from Hunt Valley to Harrisburg, I don't see an end in the near future. heck it's been going on around here for over a decade.
 
Totally agree with you regarding lack of skilled craft people. We are pushing too many students to college who really don't know what they want to do and we expect them to find out while sitting in a classroom with a bunch of other 18 & 19 year olds (yes I work at a college). You can make a nice career for yourself as a carpenter, mechanic, plumber, etc. For some reason folks look down at these jobs...until they need one.
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Re: UAW and Toyota.. [grbeck] by dtownfb
Apr 24, 2007 (1:17 pm)
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Replying to: grbeck (Apr 24, 2007 9:03 am)

You know the area well. I work in Towson (not for too much longer). there are people who want affordable housing in a safe neighborhood. You can't find $200k homes in Baltimore city or county. Whereas in York, you can move down the street from me, live in a 50-60 year old 3 bedroom, 2 bath house for a hair over $200k. And it is the best rated public school district in the county and only trails Derry Twp. and Camp Hill for the area. if you want one with a few problems you can find tons for $100-150k. This trend has been going on here since the mid 90's.
 
The homes in the $150-$200 will always be popular as those are the entry level houses for young couples, single folks and people looking to get out of the city, first time home buyers, etc. Always will be a market for these buyers.
 
Of course Southern Cal is a slightly bigger market. But my point is there is a legitimate reason for the housing demand in my area. And just because it happens in CA, NY and NJ, does not make it so everywhere else. I never understood why housing prices in CA were so high. Of course, I don't understand a lot of things about CA.
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Unions are needed. .. [dtownfb] by gagrice
Apr 24, 2007 (1:31 pm)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Apr 24, 2007 1:17 pm)

I agree with you. There is no good reason for the average home in San Diego to cost $624,000. The saddest part is so many people get sucked into unscrupulous loans. Loans they have no way of paying. Economics are no longer heeded with income to loan ratios. I have friends and relatives that are in negative ARM loans that they take from the equity each month. That cannot go on for long. It is easy to walk away when you have no equity.
 
Hopefully the influx into your area will not bring with it the crime and problems.
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And once again it is unscrupulous by iluvmysephia1
Apr 24, 2007 (3:06 pm)
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lenders, brokers and agents who are not being upfront with people buying houses with these ARM loans that explode on them.
 
I remember Talk-Net radio host Bruce Williams always saying to his listeners "never buy a house without a competent real-estate lawyer representing you!"
 
Even without a lawyer people need to read the fine print of their loan terms. Make 'em wait for you to read your loan papers at closing, if must come down to that-ask many questions-it's your money involved here!
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Re: And once again it is unscrupulous [iluvmysephia1] by gagrice
Apr 24, 2007 (3:47 pm)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Apr 24, 2007 3:06 pm)

That is good advice and it goes for all loans. I got sucked into one of those GM auto loans about 20 years ago that you paid all the interest up front. So when you went to sell the car you did not have the equity you thought you did. When I discovered that dirty little secret I just kept it until it was paid off. I have never borrowed on a vehicle since, unless I had the cash to pay it off.
 
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If you have to borrow use your Credit UNION!!!
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Re: Jobs of the future [lokki] by rockylee
Apr 24, 2007 (4:26 pm)
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Replying to: lokki (Apr 24, 2007 8:57 am)

You are very correct lokki. Good discussions guys but let's try to keep it a bit more automotive related please.
 
Thanks,
 
Rocky
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Re: Jobs of the future [rockylee] by gagrice
Apr 24, 2007 (5:06 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 24, 2007 4:26 pm)

I think the big question is will Unions survive much longer? I think it can go either way. If they trim down and get a real strong work ethic for their members they have a chance. Many Unions get the reputation of being feather bedders. The Union needs to police its rank and file members. Use the e-board to discipline members that are not carrying their weight. Make themselves an asset to the company not a burden. It is a two way street.
 
I am not sure the UAW is doing all they can to weed out poor workers. One poor worker can infect the whole crew.
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Re: Jobs of the future [gagrice] by rockylee
Apr 24, 2007 (5:15 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 24, 2007 5:06 pm)

I think unions will survive because of the way company's are treating employees today. I think their will be a change in laws like the "right to work" ones which will help. The bottom line is if the UAW, is able to organize Toyota, and other automobile manufactors doing business here in the U.S. that might encourage others to follow suit.
 
I think as things get tougher for the middle class, I think the more labor unions will be formed. I do think Toyota, is a important step for labor unions like the UAW.
 
Rocky
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gagrice... by iluvmysephia1
Apr 24, 2007 (8:37 pm)
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I agree with you on the credit union thing. Excellent advice-my wife and I use my Boeing Employee's Credit Union and in fact are utilizing a Home Equity Loan from them right now with a great fixed rate that I couldn't get very easily through big behemoth bank.
 
We bought a house for a great price(that helped make the '08 Lancer GTS purchase a reality!)but the house is as old as I am and was a rental house for a while. Everything needed done can be done and we're on it but BECU is enabling us to get more for our money and give us an updated older home.
 
There's no games and no hidden charges, etc. Just a sound way to borrow-credit unions...the best rates to be had anywhere.
 
I was a union member at Boeing but didn't always agree with the members on strike issues. Nonetheless, I can't really be overly critical of the Seattle Professional Engineering Employees' Association and the clout that went along with it. It was a great job with a solid company, only Boeing is quick to pull the layoff trigger and overlooks the personal side of the business. Yes, I know it's a business but people are a strong commodity and Boeing management can be so stone cold it's ridiculous. I left Boeing in 2003 with a strong determination inside to never, ever get sucked in to going back there. I find the personal involvement of the Allied Health professions to be much more satisfying. And that is one of the reasons I re-trained in health care.
 
It can have some strong frustrations yet it pays well and the work is steady and you do help people get better from injuries and serious health problems...and you are right there at the head of the bed for life emergencies..we are all about breathing in Respiratory Therapy. I must say, though, the job is not a job for everyone.
 
As for the UAW, I think that they could become strong again, especially with a GM that is better-fortified to fight the imports. I still remain skeptical of the domestic's overall chances at long-term success, not because I want them to fail, but because they have such a long fight ahead against the Korean and Japanese makes. The German's are not a strong enough big car number's threat, the China's and South Korea's and Japan may very well spell the end of Ford, GM and DCX, and the UAW will only be able to sniff, spit and growl into the fierce Midwest winds in dismay when the curtain falls down on them.
 
GM is diversifying enough in Asia and their pickup of Daewoo in 2002 was simply a brilliant move, quite possibly their smartest move in the 2000's. So they will no doubt remain with a stronger emphasis on the offshore building and selling. The UAW's demands are not much but a big annoyance, nothing that will totally cause the domestics to fall, although Ford may be a sad exception there. Their demands can come at some of the worst times and we have seen some of that in these 2000's, eh?
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Re: gagrice... [iluvmysephia1] by rockylee
Apr 24, 2007 (9:12 pm)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Apr 24, 2007 8:37 pm)

iluv,
 
I like I said respect your career choice pal. I'm sure you get good satisfaction from helping others and I applaud you for picking a career like the one your in.
 
The UAW and big 3 will not fall. If you check out my last post in the "Article Comments Kiss the American Auto Industry Good-Bye (as We Know It)" forum, you will see a bill that should pass and become law to help the big 3 survive on a more level playing field. This is the way it should be anyways but our government has ignored some very important domestic issues for to long.
 
The UAW, will severely loosen their work rules to save jobs. I however predict they will ask in return for more investments=more jobs if they sign off on this. If Stabenow, get's her bill passed you will see a rush to the U.S. border to cross back into the United States. I do think placing tariffs on the country's that under-value their currency and tariffing foreign made products will create jobs back here at home. Toyota, will continue it's investment here in America, and the UAW, will push to organize them I also predict the UAW, will target honda, as well and if they are able to conquer Toyota, Honda, will be more willing to take in the UAW. So just maybe in my opinion we can save america's back bone the working middle class like you, I, and many others who roam these forums.
 
Just my $0.02
 
Rocky

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