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Replying to: cz75 (Jul 07, 2008 10:12 am) I'd say both sides gain from the mismanagement of immigration policy. Cheap labor and destruction of living wage standards for one, social attention for the other. Crying about "the left" is nice, but the neocon right is far from innocent or ethical.
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That is what they did in the 1980s, and continue to do so today...how ANY state can raise business taxes and expect new business to come there is worse than naive, it is plum stupid... They are simply incapable of waking up until they are near death...they raise taxes so businesses have to pay more to be there, and then workers have been union-spoiled for so long they think it is their divine right to get $30/hour to sweep the floor or stock the shelves...reality hits with each wave of layoffs, but they still don't get it...they sit there wondering why companies don't line up to come to Michigan, and Michiganders themselves live in a dream world... They have nothing to offer an employer except cold weather and snow...their trained work force can be trained in Alabama or Tenn to do the same work at half the price, where the attitude is that they are grateful to have a job rather than look for the location of the "Job Bank"... Detroit was so crooked in the 1980s, and it has only become 100X worse since I left in 1990 (not because of me)...taxes on a $60K house are $3,000, and for that you get unionized city workers who do not work... The UAW is dying a slow death, probably for the betterment of society...the Big 3, however, will probably survive when they move all their plants down south after declaring Chapter 11, voiding all contracts, and start anew with people who want to work, people who are garteful for a job instead of demanding they be treated like princes... It will be painful because something we have seen for 75 years is about to die, and nobody wants change...but the death of the union is the only solution, and then re-stocking with new workers will be the answer...clean sweep...like the college football team whose entire star lineup are seniors...one day they graduate and the new team is all freshmen...they do not act as a team, but, over time, they do... The only benefit to seniority will be to place them at the head of the line in thre cafeteria... Oh, don't forget to throw out rotten management, too...
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 07, 2008 5:11 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Jul 08, 2008 4:52 am) Rotten business models are subject to change like everything else. In GM's case, the pain will be more pronounced even until death of a once great company because change was not embraced along the way many years ago. GM will change forever. Now the pace is accelerating faster than a Chinese auto startup! link title Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 08, 2008 5:40 am) I think you will find that Toyota has caught up to GM in lackluster products and surpassed them in poor service. Overall my 07 Sequoia is better than my 05 GMC PU truck. While the service at Toyota was friendly, it was much more expensive than GMC service. Neither was able to solve problems with the vehicle. Ironically they are across the street from each other. GMC sent me a coupon for free service each time it was due. Toyota charged $63 for the 5000 mile oil change. Used cheap 30 weight oil. Did not fix the problems with the Sequoia. I think the newer model of the Sequoia is not up to the old one build, fit and finish wise. Doors do not feel as solid. More like a new GM SUV.
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Interesting that you would mention Roger Smith...he could have been one of my heroes, for back in 1984, when UAW contract negotiations were coming up, GM had just had their first losing year in about 75 years...the union struck GM and, had Roger Smith stood firm, with the strike fund paying workers $65 weekly, he could have broken and killed the union in about 3 months, and the then Ford and Chrysler could have followed suit...he could have been my hero... Instead, Smith capitulated in 6 weeks, giving up the only chance to destroy the union...until now, of course... |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 08, 2008 7:17 am) My wife's '03 Yukon needed the extended service warranty that I purchased. I am $1,100 ahead by buying that over 6 years come November 2008! One more year and it's curtains! Regards, OW |
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This may sound odd, but I think it would take a number of years of Toy/Hon screwups before they were in trouble...first, the alternative, for those who have abandoned American cars, is...American cars...and it will be some time, IMO, before the improved Fords and GMs are actually considered as alternatives to the imports... It took years of junk before they abandoned Big 3 cars...not only will Big 3 need superb quality to attempt to lure them back, but they have to experience sufficient trouble with the Toy/Hon to actually consioder abandoning them and come back to Big 3... Yet, the bigger they are, the harder they fall... |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 08, 2008 10:09 am) It'll help, too, if people keep saying how they hate GM cars and the unions because they had a 197X car that didn't last; that way people won't look to reality of the newer cars or that there were cars within the model mix that have given and give good service today. It's sort of like continually reminding people about the Toyota motors out there with sludging problems so that they perceive that all Toyotas have sludge. |
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 08, 2008 11:25 am) Reality is what people perceive is true. Simple as that. One person can not try all GM vehicles or make a statistical analysis of the probability they will get junk. When they experience problems (or perceive there are many problems), depending on their propensity of pain, sooner or later they switch brands. Add to that the brilliant strategy of weighting production and inventory with less than stellar efficient vehicles, and you draw blood. Big blood! Toyota is not immune but way more flexible and higher quality as perceptions go. Just my 2 cents. Regards, OW
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