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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 05, 2008 3:43 am) But Verizon is only putting it on the coasts. They are using their incomes from the flyover states to subsidize giving a good service product to certain areas. ATT is putting Uverse in this area in adjoining ATT phone service country and hopefully into adjacent communities. This will give the monopoly Timeless Warner a run more than DirectDish has.
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Replying to: rockylee (Jul 04, 2008 7:43 pm) |
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Replying to: rockylee (Jul 04, 2008 7:43 pm) It's been tough battling the anti-GM/anti-Union forces without you!
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 05, 2008 3:57 am) |
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"The banks drove me out of the car business because they wouldn't approve people for loans and some of those people that had border line credit had medical collections and the banks wouldn't look at the whole picture"... So, did the banks drive you out of the car business, or did sound lending policies finally take root in the market???...your own phrase of "borderline credit" means that they never should have been granted any credit to begin with... This entire housing situation would never have occurred if the sub-prime market had been sent back to their apartments and never allowed to borrow money on a home that they could not afford... Good luck in a better field, rocky...with truck and SUV plants closing everywhere, the loss of auto jobs will be quite severe, since they will have lots of workers but no work...plus, I would not be surprised if the same vehicles, trucks and SUVs, are the same high profit vehicles for the dealers and salespeople...so, if trucks ain't selling, all there is to sell are Ford Fusions and the like...maybe not the highest commissions out there... Whether Hussein Obama or John McCain, please remember...those jobs cannot, and will not, return to Michigan...ever...if anything, Japanese makers will gain market share as Big 3 trucks disappear until $4/gal gas, and the imports already know how to make small cars, we still seem stuck on Pintos and Vegas... While the political situation may change under a new President, do not think for one minute that Michigan will see anything change until THEY change their emphasis on one industry and move away from it...Pittsburg moved away from steel and went hi tech...just because their team is called the Steelers is meaningless...they still call them Georgia Peaches down here, but most of them come from South Carolina... 
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 05, 2008 12:16 pm) Pittsburgh didn't move away from steel, steel moved away from it until all you have now is a relative handful of geeks with good high-tech jobs until they are outsourced to China or India. Meanwhile tens of thousands of former steel workers are either dead, working in low wage jobs, living on public assistance, or wards of the criminal justice system. Well, at least there is a lot less pollution. Well, if "Steelers" is a now meaningless name, maybe we can call 'em the "Pittsburgh Software" to honor those temporarily employed in high tech or simply change one letter to call them the "Pittsburgh Stealers" to refer to either the corporate cowards who offshored all the steel mills or the current profession of the unemployed to make ends meet? Gee, what do you suppose we do with all those former autoworkers in Michigan? Maybe we should ship 'em halfway around the world to be cannon-fodder in some senseless war?
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Replying to: lemko (Jul 06, 2008 6:56 am) According to some on Edmunds who blame the UAW for their problems with their 1983 Cavalier..., we should take them out and shoot them along with GM.  Funny they don't blame Honda assembly line workers for transmission problems or Toyo workers for the poor assembly and sludge in their Toyotas...  Amazing attitudes. As long as it's not them or immediate neighbors, who cares about jobs.
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Replying to: lemko (Jul 06, 2008 6:56 am) They could pack up and go to Alaska, North Dakota, Alberta, Canada or even TX where the economy is better. They could head South and work in one of the Japanese, German or Korean auto plants. This process of shuffling factories to get better tax and labor costs is not new. It started in the 1960s or before. I just posted an article about the new VW plant that will be built in the USA. They eliminated Michigan because of horrible taxes and previous experience with the UAW. What is important is not whether you are Union or Not Union. It is the cost of living relative to your income. There are good states and bad states. I would say CA and Michigan are real bad. Many companies are pulling out due to lousy tax and high cost of doing business. My son in law was given the opportunity to move from San Diego to Indiana at the same wage. Many in his company were told they could go with a cut in pay. They may shut this operation down. So my SIL took the opportunity while it was being offered. |
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 06, 2008 7:11 am) PS My wife's niece and nephew live in Ohio. He is an airplane mechanic. Some airline went broke that he was working for. He was offered a great job in Alaska and turned it down. He cannot stand to be away from family and his Ohio State Football team. He is going to drive truck so he can stay in OHIO. He had a great job for the government here in San Diego and quit to go back to OHIO. go figure
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 06, 2008 7:11 am) You know, it's funny how the well known sludge and transmission problems of Honda and Toyota get thrown around.... as if a high fraction of those cars are highly unreliable... every make has its problems.... but there is NO COMPARISON to the problems of the big 3. |
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