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Re: Yep [cooterbfd] by dtownfb
Jun 23, 2008 (2:08 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jun 23, 2008 12:58 pm)

I guess it could work but how long does it take to ramp up a plant to build that many vehicles? I would think 2-3 years at least. I would bet the dollar and the economy rebound by that time.
 
Here's another article that is not painting a pretty picture for Ford or GM. At the center of it is the declining auto sales.
 
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/19/news/companies/taylor_gm.fortune/index.htm?postv- - ersion=2008061910
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Re: Yep [cooterbfd] by gagrice
Jun 23, 2008 (3:14 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jun 23, 2008 12:58 pm)

My point is "IF"
 
If they build in Canada as the article says they might, they have a factory and workforce that has always ranked high in productivity. If they build in Mexico they save more on labor and add new consumers to the market. The UAW just recently proved they would strike one of the few plants building popular vehicles. Why take that chance with the Astra? If the UAW had a legitimate reason to strike why did they pick one of the few models that GM is selling? My take is they DO NOT care about the future of GM.
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Re: Yep [gagrice] by tlong
Jun 23, 2008 (4:35 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 23, 2008 3:14 pm)

My take is they DO NOT care about the future of GM.
 
...or their own jobs.
 
All 100 of them that are left will be well paid.
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Considering the intelligence by marsha7
Jun 25, 2008 (9:16 am)
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exhibited by the UAW, striking the company that may simply go down on its own, they do seem to be suicidal...if the UAW was a person, they would be committed and placed on suicide watch, as no ratioanl being would act like they do...
 
But, considering the IQ of the average member is between 70-80, none of this surprises me...they act like idiots because, well...they are...
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Re: Considering the intelligence [marsha7] by cooterbfd
Jun 25, 2008 (12:48 pm)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jun 25, 2008 9:16 am)

Bob, I HIGHLY doubt their IQ is between 70-80 (I know toungue-in-cheek, but a barb anyway).
 
If you think they'd be put on suicide watch, then that lends to the dire nature of the industry, as it concerns them. Personally, locals aside, I think the next 2 or 3 yrs. are going to be VERY tenuous, with As*h&%#s puckered on both sides of the equation. Even at the non-union plants, when layoffs start rolling in because we just aren't buying cars (they are saying 12.5 mil this yr, a 25% drop) everyone is going to find themselves miserable.
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cooter by marsha7
Jun 26, 2008 (8:02 am)
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I remember Lee Iaccoca on a TV interview, when he was running Chrysler, stating that they had to put those special signs with the red line thru them (the "don't do this" sign) on all of their presses, showing an arm in the machine with the line thru it, using a picture to explian why they should keep their arms and hands out of the machines or they will be crushed...the reason???...too many of the workers could NOT READ a sign that simply stated "Do no place hands or arms in the machines or they will be cut off or crushed"...
 
Do not question whether their IQ is above 70-80, question how far below it can go before even the UAW will not accept them for employment...it is what it is...
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Re: cooter [marsha7] by fintail
Jun 26, 2008 (9:16 am)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jun 26, 2008 8:02 am)

Wasn't there a story about Toyota locating to Ontario instead of Mississippi or Alabama etc due to the illiteracy of the potential workforce?
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Re: cooter [fintail] by steve_ HOST
Jun 26, 2008 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 26, 2008 9:16 am)

Hey now, I grew up in Mississippi, y'all nattering nabobs of negativism. (and don't say "that explains a lot", even if it does ).
 
And Toyota's newest factory is under construction in Blue Springs MS.
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steve host by marsha7
Jun 26, 2008 (11:38 am)
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Or, should I say, Spiro Agnew???????????????????????????????
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Re: steve host [marsha7] by steve_ HOST
Jun 26, 2008 (12:42 pm)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jun 26, 2008 11:38 am)

Only those of us of a certain age even get the reference.
 
Ford and GM stocks are in the dumper (along with most everything else), and oil has popped $140 a bbl.
 
Looks like the plant closings are just going to continue.
 
Toledo Jeep workers to be laid off for 7 weeks
 
Ford starts another round of buyouts for local hourly workers
 
Final GM workers accepting buyout to leave Friday
 
On the less gloomy side:
 
St. Paul Ford plant may get reprieve (Ford Rangers are made there and they are relatively fuel-efficient).

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