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A summer of Tim Horton's and walking the line? by steve_ HOST
Jun 09, 2008 (8:26 am)
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Coffee, donuts and picketing anyone?
 
"Canadian Auto Workers President Buzz Hargrove is threatening to strike GM if they go through with plans to close the Oshawa, Ont., pickup truck assembly plant."
 
Hargrove threatening to strike GM (Straightline)
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Yep by pf_flyer HOST
Jun 09, 2008 (8:30 am)
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Caught In The Squeeze
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Re: Yep [pf_flyer] by gagrice
Jun 09, 2008 (8:51 am)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Jun 09, 2008 8:30 am)

The only thing that can save Truck sales would be a 35 MPG diesel 1/2 ton PU. I don't think they can come up with one in time. The UAW and CAW may as well kiss their factories goodbye. GM will have to import cars to stay alive.
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Re: Yep [gagrice] by circlew
Jun 09, 2008 (10:54 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 09, 2008 8:51 am)

GM will have to import cars to stay alive...or merge with T.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Yep [gagrice] by cooterbfd
Jun 09, 2008 (12:32 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 09, 2008 8:51 am)

They won't HAVE to import anything. If GM owns it and builds it, it can be built here. As it is, there has been talk of building the Opel Astra here, along side the Saturn Astra (when they have that factory up and running) and export them back to Germany.
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Re: Yep [cooterbfd] by dtownfb
Jun 22, 2008 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jun 09, 2008 12:32 pm)

They'll only do that if the Saturn Astra sells. There are at least 6-7 other small cars that are better then the Astra.
 
You have to understand, GM makes money off their pickups and SUVs not their cars. In order to make money on their cars and keep up the quality with Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc., they have to reduce costs. The best way of doing this is cheaper labor.
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Re: Yep [dtownfb] by cooterbfd
Jun 22, 2008 (11:38 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jun 22, 2008 10:08 am)

they have to reduce costs. The best way of doing this is cheaper labor.
 
and with the euro costing $1.50-$1.60, they get "cheaper" labor right here. I won't dispute the fact that the Astra that is offered by Saturn is unremarkable, as it is, and also expensive. My point is that if they make 250,000 here, even if they only sell 50,000 as Saturns, the others can go to England, Austrailia, and Europe. With the dollar as weak as it is, they are studying if it is feaseable to do it here and ship them elsewhere cheaper than they could be made overseas.
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Re: Yep [cooterbfd] by dtownfb
Jun 23, 2008 (5:09 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jun 22, 2008 11:38 am)

The dollar will bounce back so what you are suggesting is a temporary, unpredictable fix. Why not go with a sure bet and build the Astra in Mexico? You know labor costs will always be cheaper there then in the US.
 
GM is not worried about saving jobs. They have to figure a way to become profitable in the North American market. GM makes money in all their other markets but have lost focus here in the US. Building more Astras here does nothing to solve their problems.
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Re: Yep [dtownfb] by circlew
Jun 23, 2008 (5:57 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jun 23, 2008 5:09 am)

Don't you think the union is on life support? I can't see it lasting much longer. What do you think?
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Yep [dtownfb] by fintail
Jun 23, 2008 (8:25 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jun 23, 2008 5:09 am)

When will the dollar bounce back?
 
I don't see any signs yet.

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