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Replying to: dieselone (Jan 29, 2008 8:12 pm)    You could "BUY AMERICAN" at Wal~Mart, at one time because Sam, had sense in his head !!! -Rocky
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 29, 2008 7:42 pm) I pray your grandmother comes through the surgery with flying colors.
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"you're going to bash the supposed poor quality of domestic automobiles from 20 years ago yet defend the abominable quality of Chinese goods sold at abominable retailers like Wal~Mart? How can you defend a monstrous entity like Wal~Mart?" lemko...I am not defending WalMart or the Chinese goods they sell...Walmart is a magnificently-run company, and many other companies could learn from their efficiencies...thay have cut overhead to the bone in order to lower prices... But all I am saying is that Walmart does not control the American public, the public controls Walmart...if we stopped buying the Chinese goods, they would gather dust on the shelves...and, one thing W-M will NOT tolerate is merchandise that gathers dust and will not sell...that is my point...whereas an average company might take a year to realize that a product does not sell, W-M will know it in 30 days because their computers and sales tracking ARE so efficient, light years ahead of anyone else... If they see products not selling, and folks take a minute to walk up to the store manager and say "I like shopping here, but I will not buy Chinese made goods"...if s/he hears this 500 or 5000 times in a month, and they start to see that Chinese goods gather dust, and multiply that by 1000 (how many stores are there?) or 5000 stores, you could see China go into a depression in 90 days, because no company will buy their products if consumers will not buy them at retail... Then, do that at Sports Authority for their sweatshirts and high-end sneakers, Old Navy for all their cotton goods, etc....the American consumer could turnaround the entire retail market in about 3-6 months...but that means that the average person must say NO to their plasma TV, cell phone, shirts, pants, shoes, etc... Can we do it???...for many consumer goods, we really can read labels and talk to management, but we must hang on...if we capitualte in 30 days, China is back on top... But it is a 2 edged sword...if the manufacturing comes back, can we pay $30 an hour to someone who folds shirts???...probably not...should they be allowed to unionize???...well, if the union is like others where the workers slow the line down to 60% of its normal capacity, something has to give, and it means no unions...we will need maximum productivity if the plants are to come back here, plain and simple... Let's face it...for someone to take the risk of moving back here, they must know that there will not be any work rules that stifle quality and production, like the UAW has done for 40 years...those days are gone... If one take the financial risk to set up shop here, then maximum productivity must be assured, or any employee can be instantly fired, no grievance process...all that ever did was keep lousy workers making the cars, and we cannot allow that anymore... We must become competitive with the Chinese cost, or come close to it, or else no one will take the financial risk, even if we stop buying Chinese goods...boycotting Chinese goods is only half the equation, we need financial incentive to build the plants here, and if employees can unionize and slow production as unions are designed to do, there will be NO plants built here, because no one wants to replicate the half century of crap we lived with from the UAW...those days are over, forever... You want manufacturing jobs back here???...agree to those work rules above, and someone just might take the risk...anything else is a guaranteed NO, as the financial risk would be impossible to overcome if labor is the problem, and if unions exist, then labor is the problem...period... rocky: prayers for your grandmother...
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if they replace me with an Indian worker for half my wage I'll head north to the frozen tundra's and live with the polar bears. Live off the land....remind y'all of a particular movie that was just out? Gonna have to watch that one and see how the guy did survive out in the wild for so long. What's wrong with buying Asian goods? I agree, if they are toys and contain lead paint then there's a problem. It's a free-market society. My dollar goes to what will buy me the most for less. Simply put. If my dollar is earned honestly then I have the right to spend it how I wish. I don't agree with cheating, in any form. Cheating on taxes is wrong. How many of you will plan on cheating on your Fed. and state income taxes. rocky...that is one thing that American people are very good at. Cheating. That drives up prices for all of us. I don't want to hear that I have to buy American or Union-made products. It is a capitalistic, free-market economy. I'll buy Kia, Mitsubishi...I may even take a Ford Verve test drive in about 5 years...if it's an all-electric vehicle. The PATCO dorks were just that--dorks exemplified. Selfish, stupid, short-sighted dorks. Dishonest and selfish. That they are union people is...well...proving my point on this forum, eh? A big 'ol Canadian eh for ya. 
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 29, 2008 8:26 pm)  She worked very hard to exercise, eat healthier, the last 5 or so years and it did not help. She had a very stressful position in the IUE, and took on more than she should of but hell that's my grandmother. It's funny because she and my Boeing retired step-grandfather play cards with former management. Grandma, told me a few years ago that she was playing cards with a GE retired management and while they fought each other back then they can laugh and have a meal at the same table now. -Rocky |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 29, 2008 8:30 pm) Because they are so greedy, they will go to no length to make sure all the ma and pa shops are out of business. That's not efficiency Marsha7, it's just plain insane. How does Wal~Mart, benefit a city ???? They displace more workers than they create and they pay crap wages, offer zero benefits, (unless your middle management) and think they can use Eminent Domain, at their discretion. They fought the city of Canyon, Tx on their right to build there for most of my time in Tx. But all I am saying is that Walmart does not control the American public, the public controls Walmart...if we stopped buying the Chinese goods, they would gather dust on the shelves...and, one thing W-M will NOT tolerate is merchandise that gathers dust and will not sell...that is my point...whereas an average company might take a year to realize that a product does not sell, W-M will know it in 30 days because their computers and sales tracking ARE so efficient, light years ahead of anyone else... Huh ??? Do/Did you work for them or did you read about this somewhere ??? The last time I was in one which was in Texas, their shelves didn't look to "organized" to me. Hell the dept. clerk didn't know if he had what I was looking for or carried it. If they see products not selling, and folks take a minute to walk up to the store manager and say "I like shopping here, but I will not buy Chinese made goods"...if s/he hears this 500 or 5000 times in a month, and they start to see that Chinese goods gather dust, and multiply that by 1000 (how many stores are there?) or 5000 stores, you could see China go into a depression in 90 days, because no company will buy their products if consumers will not buy them at retail... It's going to take more than us "Buy American" union folks to accomplish this. It's going to take "others" to assist us but the problem is you have people like "iluv" that don't give two hoots where it's made as long as it meets their needs and is at the right price. Then, do that at Sports Authority for their sweatshirts and high-end sneakers, Old Navy for all their cotton goods, etc....the American consumer could turnaround the entire retail market in about 3-6 months...but that means that the average person must say NO to their plasma TV, cell phone, shirts, pants, shoes, etc... Agree.... Some of the stuff you mentioned like sneakers you can buy american. Certain shoes like some New Balance, Boots like Wolverine, Union Label Jeans, King Louie and some Nemises, shirts are made here. Go to the "How to Buy American" website and you will find links on "how to buy american"  Can we do it???...for many consumer goods, we really can read labels and talk to management, but we must hang on...if we capitualte in 30 days, China is back on top... No, because your generation has taught my generation pseudo-capitalism, is okay and if you have any nationalism thinking your are a socialist commie !!! But it is a 2 edged sword...if the manufacturing comes back, can we pay $30 an hour to someone who folds shirts???...probably not...should they be allowed to unionize???...well, if the union is like others where the workers slow the line down to 60% of its normal capacity, something has to give, and it means no unions...we will need maximum productivity if the plants are to come back here, plain and simple... Rah-Rah-Rah-Rah !!!! Bull crappy again marsha7 !!!! I'll offer my rebutal Mr. Marsha7 !!! WHAM !!!!!!  http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/content/ba-links.shtml How do all these places make a profit using american labor many of which is union made. Ooooh that darn cat has got your tongue again !!!!  Don't you just hate that ???  Let's face it...for someone to take the risk of moving back here, they must know that there will not be any work rules that stifle quality and production, like the UAW has done for 40 years...those days are gone... That paragraph says it all !!!! Like the UAW, has done for 40 years. I as I said before and I'll say it again that people like my father can tear a machine a part and put it back togeather again. Some non-union worker like at Honda, has to shut down the line for 3 hours while 6 illegal alien maintainence dudes, and 4 vietnamese engineers try to figure out the problem when they could of hired 1 former UAW worker with common sense and he'd have it fixed and product would be out the door. I know I exaggerated the illegal alien part but this is more/less what I witnessed in the non-union shops I worked in. If one take the financial risk to set up shop here, then maximum productivity must be assured, or any employee can be instantly fired, no grievance process...all that ever did was keep lousy workers making the cars, and we cannot allow that anymore... So you want managament to be allowed to run their plants like sweat shops/dictatorships. Do you want to take off the guards on the machines while your at it so you can speed up the process even more. If the worker cuts off his arm fire him. If he's killed, send his family a fruit cake, right ? We must become competitive with the Chinese cost, or come close to it, or else no one will take the financial risk, even if we stop buying Chinese goods...boycotting Chinese goods is only half the equation, we need financial incentive to build the plants here, and if employees can unionize and slow production as unions are designed to do, there will be NO plants built here, because no one wants to replicate the half century of crap we lived with from the UAW...those days are over, forever... Well many will argue the stuff made in the 50's and 60's by union labor was some of the best stuff ever !!! GM, refridgerators lasted forever. The cars were top notch in the world !!!! Who doesn't want to drive a 58' vette ? :shades The shoddy crap made today might be more energy efficient and high-tech but it's designed to fail. You want manufacturing jobs back here???...agree to those work rules above, and someone just might take the risk...anything else is a guaranteed NO, as the financial risk would be impossible to overcome if labor is the problem, and if unions exist, then labor is the problem...period... If unions are the only problem then why in the hell did all these non-union/union free shops leave the U.S. ??? Oh the cat got your tongue factor again !!!! rocky: prayers for your grandmother... I do appreciate it. -Rocky
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Jan 29, 2008 8:34 pm) Gonna have to watch that one and see how the guy did survive out in the wild for so long. Fantasy Land ??? What's wrong with buying Asian goods? I agree, if they are toys and contain lead paint then there's a problem. It's a free-market society. My dollar goes to what will buy me the most for less. Simply put. If my dollar is earned honestly then I have the right to spend it how I wish. I like the crap out of you iluv, but their is a lot wrong with it. Not so much the Japanese, part of it but you are one who would buy a Geely, Chery, Brickland, and not feel a bit of remorse or find anything wrong with it. That is the kind of thinking that is wrong with our country and is why we are headed for the sewer as a society. I don't agree with cheating, in any form. Cheating on taxes is wrong. How many of you will plan on cheating on your Fed. and state income taxes. Agree...... rocky...that is one thing that American people are very good at. Cheating. That drives up prices for all of us. I don't want to hear that I have to buy American or Union-made products. It is a capitalistic, free-market economy. I'll buy Kia, Mitsubishi...I may even take a Ford Verve test drive in about 5 years...if it's an all-electric vehicle. You are right you don't have to buy as it is a free society. However, when you or a future generation loved one can't find a good job perhaps that thinking won't look so great after the fact ? The PATCO dorks were just that--dorks exemplified. Selfish, stupid, short-sighted dorks. Dishonest and selfish. That they are union people is...well...proving my point on this forum, eh? A big 'ol Canadian eh for ya. Well I respect each and every one of them for taking a stand against that senial worthless dictator. I know one of those PATCO dorks as iluv, calls them personally and he is a great man and friend of mine. All because a alztheimer, brain dead, fool tells you to get back to work or else.... My buddy "Neutron" Jack Welch, needs to import more Malaysian made goods. -Rocky
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Anyway, Rock, I got this email from my FIL the other day and immediately thought you'd get a kick out of it, so I'll post it below. Joe Smith started the day early having set his alarm > clock (MADE IN JAPAN ) for 6am. While his coffeepot > ( MADE IN CHINA ) was perking, he shaved with his > electric razor ( MADE IN HONG KONG ). He put on a > dress shirt ( MADE IN SRI LANKA ), designer jeans ( > MADE IN SINGAPORE ) and tennis shoes ( MADE IN KOREA > ). After cooking his breakfast in his new electric > skillet (MADE IN INDIA ) he sat down with his > calculator ( MADE IN MEXICO ) to see how much he > could spend today. After setting his watch ( MADE IN > TAIWAN ) to the radio ( MADE IN INDIA ) he got in > his car ( MADE IN GE! RMANY ) filled it with GAS > from Saudi Arabia and continued his search for a > good paying AMERICAN J OB At the end of yet another > discouraging and fruitless day checking his Computer > (Made In Malaysia ), Joe decided to relax for a > while. He put on his sandals ( MADE IN BRAZIL ) > poured himself a glass of wine (MADE IN FRANCE ) and > turned on his TV ( MADE IN INDONESIA ), and then > wondered why he can't find a good paying job in > AMERICA ...
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 29, 2008 7:13 pm) Chester, PA - a huge pocket of poverty in one of Pennsylvania's wealthiest counties, once thrived as places like Sun Ship and Ford called it home. Chester's slogan once was "What Chester Makes Makes Chester!" Well, nothing is made in Chester these days so I guess Chester is nothing. I have immense respect for factory workers as my Dad was one and he raised us three kids well. Dad was a very responsible parent who worked hard and raised us right, and yes, he was a union member!
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 29, 2008 8:20 pm)
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