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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 29, 2008 5:25 pm) Maybe it's because up in Green Bay they only have to run the freezers for about 3 mos. a year. LOL |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 29, 2008 2:41 pm)  We are obviously in the minority but perhaps enough of us will be able to pass our message along to future generations and they can truely be "the greatest generation" as they try to repair the damages done by previous generation to this country.  -Rocky P.S. I do not shop at Wal~Mart, and it's not my union buddy's that are buying their shoddy toxic crap !!! That would be your pseudo-capitalist, free marketeer, buddy's. 
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 29, 2008 6:46 pm) Wrong "o" big time Rocky. The amount I have invested into Social Security should pay me way more than that check I get each month. If I had just put the money in a savings account I would reap a way bigger monthly benefit without ever touching the principle. You can thank your idol JFK for robbing the SS fund and dumping it into the general fund. Then Congress acts like they are doing the recipients a big favor each month. Social Security is a joke as a retirement fund. Those of US that worked all our adult lives paying into that black hole are being cheated by the US Government. You will be cheated even worse if you work 45 years and expect to collect. I am thankful for having a good Union retirement that pays over twice as much per month as SS. And as far as the National debt. FDR ran up a bigger percentage of our GDP as debt than any Presidents since. So I inherited a big National debt just as you are and our children and Grandchildren will. The ONLY President to pay back ONE penny of the National debt was Ike. So those Presidents that like to claim a balanced budget did nothing to lower our debt. |
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 29, 2008 4:53 pm) Thanks, lemko !!!  Shoot, if all the merchandise sold at Sears, Sports Authority, Circuit City and others was made here, virtually NO AMERICANS who wanted to work would be out of a job. There would be a lot less social ills like poverty, crime, drug abuse, alcoholism, child abuse, etc. as well. Come to Philadelphia which was once called "The Workshop of the World!" Postindustrial Philly is now refered to as "Killadelphia." I'm sure there would be a lot less thugs shooting people if they had viable jobs like there once were at Disston Saw, Dodge Steel, Botany 500, Stetson Hat, Baldwin Locomotive, The Budd Company, Philco, Merck, General Electric, Breyer's Ice Cream, Whitman Chocolate, etc. EXACTLY !!! Replace the drugs, and guns, with a good paying industrial/factory job !!! History shows that good jobs kills high crime rates and improves the standard of living for everyone. Those would be thugs would be paying taxes, buying cars, homes, have health care, and would send their kids to good schools which in turn improves the education of the kids, which leads to at least some of those kids going on to college and becoming professionals. It's like some people hate and have zero respect for factory workers. Look at how many white collar jobs those regular joes and janes support. Engineers, Executives, Human Resources, Middle & Lower Management, etc, etc, to name a few. So yeah, those company's lemko, mentioned are just a few of the "great jobs" in Philly, has lost to un free market !!!  -Rocky
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 29, 2008 7:06 pm)  Talk about memory loss or rose colored glasses ??? Those were great idea's weren't they ??? I'm sure you support that don't ya as it made good business sense to save a buck on labor. Some can rah-rah-rah-rah and rip ol' Rocky, about his age and so-called lack of living it. I remember it as I was their marching along side my IUE rep grandmother on strikes, organizing campaigns, labor day marches, union meetings, I lived in politics in the 80's. So yeah, my take of seeing working people take the Reagan, bullet view is much different than yours. My grandmother, whom I probably love, and respect, more than any one person on this earth helped raise me. I was spoiled rotten by her getting to swim in the hotel pools, while she was off negotiating contracts, and handling other union business that I couldn't attend. I as a child thought it was a huge treat to go "out to eat". I as a youngster, got to meet alot of powerful people through her. I didn't at that age "grasp" just how powerful some of these folks were but I do remember many of the conversations like the patriot missile deal, GM Strike, Rowe Strike, Organizing Campaigns, labor marches, and sat many hours in the IUE District 8 union hall here in Grand Rapids. I can still remember Grandma's office piled with stacks of paperwork and the smell of coffee. My grandmother also went to Washington D.C. on behalf of the IUE to fight Reagan, on making the Patriot Missle outside of the U.S. Raytheon, was going to set up shop in China, to assemble this missile because they could do it a lot cheaper. Reagan, as senial as he was or should I say Nancy (whom was in control the last 2-3 years) thought this was a great idea !!!! So I don't want to hear how great Reagan, was and how JFK, robbed the SS fund because Reagan, H.W. Bush, W. Bush, blew billions of S.S. money on "big military" and wars we started. Each one of them were anti-union, anti-worker, anti-american, with their domestic policies. Grandma, has to have triple bypass surgery tomorrow at 7:00 a.m. in the morning in Florida, so if I'm a little more fired up than normal this evening she is on my mind. -Rocky |
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 29, 2008 6:46 pm) Now that's almost funny. With that I statement I honestly believe you don't shop at Walmart to see who it is that is shopping there. Funny thing is, when my FIL was a United Steel Workers of America worker, the union gave the workers Sam's Club memberships.
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Replying to: dieselone (Jan 29, 2008 8:12 pm) You could "BUY AMERICAN" at Wal~Mart, at one time because Sam, had sense in his head !!! -Rocky
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 29, 2008 7:42 pm) I pray your grandmother comes through the surgery with flying colors.
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"you're going to bash the supposed poor quality of domestic automobiles from 20 years ago yet defend the abominable quality of Chinese goods sold at abominable retailers like Wal~Mart? How can you defend a monstrous entity like Wal~Mart?" lemko...I am not defending WalMart or the Chinese goods they sell...Walmart is a magnificently-run company, and many other companies could learn from their efficiencies...thay have cut overhead to the bone in order to lower prices... But all I am saying is that Walmart does not control the American public, the public controls Walmart...if we stopped buying the Chinese goods, they would gather dust on the shelves...and, one thing W-M will NOT tolerate is merchandise that gathers dust and will not sell...that is my point...whereas an average company might take a year to realize that a product does not sell, W-M will know it in 30 days because their computers and sales tracking ARE so efficient, light years ahead of anyone else... If they see products not selling, and folks take a minute to walk up to the store manager and say "I like shopping here, but I will not buy Chinese made goods"...if s/he hears this 500 or 5000 times in a month, and they start to see that Chinese goods gather dust, and multiply that by 1000 (how many stores are there?) or 5000 stores, you could see China go into a depression in 90 days, because no company will buy their products if consumers will not buy them at retail... Then, do that at Sports Authority for their sweatshirts and high-end sneakers, Old Navy for all their cotton goods, etc....the American consumer could turnaround the entire retail market in about 3-6 months...but that means that the average person must say NO to their plasma TV, cell phone, shirts, pants, shoes, etc... Can we do it???...for many consumer goods, we really can read labels and talk to management, but we must hang on...if we capitualte in 30 days, China is back on top... But it is a 2 edged sword...if the manufacturing comes back, can we pay $30 an hour to someone who folds shirts???...probably not...should they be allowed to unionize???...well, if the union is like others where the workers slow the line down to 60% of its normal capacity, something has to give, and it means no unions...we will need maximum productivity if the plants are to come back here, plain and simple... Let's face it...for someone to take the risk of moving back here, they must know that there will not be any work rules that stifle quality and production, like the UAW has done for 40 years...those days are gone... If one take the financial risk to set up shop here, then maximum productivity must be assured, or any employee can be instantly fired, no grievance process...all that ever did was keep lousy workers making the cars, and we cannot allow that anymore... We must become competitive with the Chinese cost, or come close to it, or else no one will take the financial risk, even if we stop buying Chinese goods...boycotting Chinese goods is only half the equation, we need financial incentive to build the plants here, and if employees can unionize and slow production as unions are designed to do, there will be NO plants built here, because no one wants to replicate the half century of crap we lived with from the UAW...those days are over, forever... You want manufacturing jobs back here???...agree to those work rules above, and someone just might take the risk...anything else is a guaranteed NO, as the financial risk would be impossible to overcome if labor is the problem, and if unions exist, then labor is the problem...period... rocky: prayers for your grandmother...
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