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Replying to: lemko (Jan 28, 2008 5:41 am) So yeah I might rah-rah-rah-rah, but I have a damn good reason to as I have young kids that are going to have to live through the disaster the so called "Greatest Generation" has left for the future.  I can see "why" this country is quickly headed for the 2nd/3rd world standard because we have people that think like they do. Buying non-union Chinese Made goods might allow you to buy more of what you want but at what cost ? What happens when your company out-sources your job ??? What happens iluv, when people can't afford to go to the hospital or afford to use your services ??? What if college graduate from India, replaces you in the health care industry and Marsha7, as a attorney. laugh now but that future isn't a unrealistic scenario. We are already seeing that happen as steve, posted a link. Next they will start their lives here and uncle sam will give them a tax break to start their practice because they are a minority.  I will close by saying that some of y'alls anti-union stance is formed mainly because of what some yellow belly journalist printed in the local newspaper and slanted it in favor of the company and you sitting on the "John" are cursing them without getting all the facts. We all know that writers don't lie as Al Stump, once said !!! -Rocky
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I acknowledge what you say, but, as a lawyer, I am always trying to give my clients the best service I can...luckily, there IS a personal aspect to what I do that cannot, IMO, be replaced by an immigrant or a foreigner... Heck, we already have the discount competition, as folks try to sell legal forms on the Web, charging 20% of what I would charge to do the same thing...so I already experience what it is like to have someone undercut me, this is nothing new...the difference is, I accept it as part of the free market, and all you can do is preach for the union... Whether it is an outsourced lawyer in India or discount forms on the Web, what is the difference???...I still have to deal with it, NOW... Of course, there is one small advantage, and I do mean small...most of the forms on the Web are generic and not state specific, altho some of them may be...the ads always state that it pays to have a local lawyer review the doc to see if it is proper...so, I may make only half as much, but I spend zero time drafting it...it is not my job to determine if the doc is COMPLETE, only if it conforms with GA law...so, as long as it conforms, it is legal to file...if it leaves something out, that is their problem...they should have retained me from the start so liability would be mine...now they can just blame themselves...or the Indian lawyer 5000 miles away... Your post above is incomplete...I still maintain that of people want industry in this country, simply stop buying "Made in China" shirts, TVs, pants, shoes, sneakers, tires, spark plugs, computers, cell phones, you name it... rocky, the power rests in the hands of the people RIGHT NOW..,. the reason it may not work with automobiles is that, like it or not, the Big 3 ruined their reputation for quality with 2 decades of crap (and that is something your grandparents cannot comprehend and could NEVER teach to you, meaning the Carter and Reagan years, before and after), and the imports have built a rep on the quality that America lost... But, as long as a shirt fits, a cell phone works, shoes are comfortable, the Americans stand as good a chance as anybody because the investment is so little compared to the price of a car... So, get all your union buddies, in and out of Michigan, and tell them to boycott WalMart, Sports Authority, Sears, etc, until they stop buying Chinese products and only stock the (more expensive) products made with American labor...as soon as you say "Boycott Walmart" the howls of laughter will rise like the smoke from a volcano, because they will not do it, not for one minute... What do you think of my idea???...is it not infallible???isn't it guaranteed to work???...if the aisles of Walmart and Sears and Sports Authority and Circuit City are empty because we won't buy Chinese products, will that not change the American employment landscape within 90 days???... One last thought...it ain't no journalist that has given me my opinion of unions...we dealt with them in NY and I dealt with their members in Detroit...NO journalist could EVER have written anything so damning of the unions as what 10 years of dealing with them, their attitude, and their poorer quality products, will do to one's mind...it is a pleasure to watch them wither on the vine... What say you??? (legal lingo, there)...
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...you're going to bash the supposed poor quality of domestic automobiles from 20 years ago yet defend the abominable quality of Chinese goods sold at abominable retailers like Wal~Mart? How can you defend a monstrous entity like Wal~Mart? They are the personification of everything that is evil about Corporate America. I certainly won't be laughing if rocky shouts, "Boycott Wal~Mart!" I already do! Shoot, if all the merchandise sold at Sears, Sports Authority, Circuit City and others was made here, virtually NO AMERICANS who wanted to work would be out of a job. There would be a lot less social ills like poverty, crime, drug abuse, alcoholism, child abuse, etc. as well. Come to Philadelphia which was once called "The Workshop of the World!" Postindustrial Philly is now refered to as "Killadelphia." I'm sure there would be a lot less thugs shooting people if they had viable jobs like there once were at Disston Saw, Dodge Steel, Botany 500, Stetson Hat, Baldwin Locomotive, The Budd Company, Philco, Merck, General Electric, Breyer's Ice Cream, Whitman Chocolate, etc. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 29, 2008 1:19 pm) We got 15,000 new Saudi college students in 2006. The Saudi government has requested visas for 21,000 more college students to be enrolled in our colleges this year. Can your children compete against Saudi riches just to pay tuition? Rocky, the demise of the UAW is miniscule in the BIG picture. We have illegal and legal students clamoring to get into our universities. Next it will be a huge influx of students from China and India and who knows where. The billions we waste on entitlement programs could be used as scholarships to our brightest students. We would rather spend $250 billion rebuilding that hell hole in New Orleans. Thousands of students from Saudi Arabia are enrolling on college campuses across the United States this semester. The program will quintuple the number of Saudi students and scholars here by the academic year's end. And big, public universities from Florida to the Kansas plains are in a fierce competition for their tuition dollars. The kingdom's royal family — which is paying full scholarships for most of the 15,000 students — says the program will help stem unrest at home by schooling the country's brightest in the American tradition. The U.S. State Department sees the exchange as a way to build ties with future Saudi leaders and young scholars at a time of unsteady relations with the Muslim world. Administrators at Kansas State University, an agricultural school surrounded by miles of prairie grass, say the scholarships are a bonanza for public education. "The Saudi scholarship program has definitely heightened our interest in that part of the world," said Kenneth Holland, associate provost for international programs. "Not only are the students fully funded, but they're also paying out-of-state tuition." |
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 29, 2008 4:53 pm) I just had a bowl of Breyer's ice cream. Was it made in China? I do believe our attorney friend was advocating the boycotting of Chinese made goods. I know my wife does it religiously. I know I got chewed out for buying a bag of fresh garlic that was a product of China. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 29, 2008 5:16 pm) According to Breyer's website, the only facility outside of the US is in Ontario. We have manufacturing plants in the following locations: Clearwater, FL Framingham, MA Hagerstown, MD Henderson, NV Huntington, IN Sikeston, MO St. Albans, VT Waterbury, VT Simcoe, Ontario Our Corporate Office is located in Green Bay, WI. Who knows where all of the incrediant's come from, but I don't think you have to worry about giving up your favorite treat anytime soon.
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Replying to: dieselone (Jan 29, 2008 5:22 pm) Framingham, MA Hagerstown, MD Henderson, NV Huntington, IN Sikeston, MO St. Albans, VT Waterbury, VT Simcoe, Ontario Our Corporate Office is located in Green Bay, WI. Only one of those is in the South. Haven't they recognized the expertise and cheap labor available there. What's the real reason they haven't built a plant in Missippi, Louisiana, Alabama?... I don't even consider FL the South. While visiting my sister in Boca it was more like the North translated hundreds of miles, and like Cuba creeping north.
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Replying to: dieselone (Jan 29, 2008 5:22 pm) Now if Rocky and his friends in MI will only buy things made in USA we can get this ball rolling. |
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 29, 2008 5:25 pm) Maybe it's because up in Green Bay they only have to run the freezers for about 3 mos. a year. LOL |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 29, 2008 2:41 pm) We are obviously in the minority but perhaps enough of us will be able to pass our message along to future generations and they can truely be "the greatest generation" as they try to repair the damages done by previous generation to this country.  -Rocky P.S. I do not shop at Wal~Mart, and it's not my union buddy's that are buying their shoddy toxic crap !!! That would be your pseudo-capitalist, free marketeer, buddy's. 
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