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Replying to: fintail (Jan 26, 2008 9:02 am) I think we should offshore legal knowledge to India. No reason people in Bangalore can't deciper the intentionally nebulous legalese and provide service at 10% the cost. I agree !!! I'm paying my attorney $200 dollars and hour in Texas, so I have a hard time having somebody who probably charges that much to their clients tell me what a UAW autoworker should make.  Pleeeaze !!!!  -Rocky |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 26, 2008 9:20 am)  -Rocky |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 26, 2008 9:25 am)  I guess when the one who preaches free market has his job replaced by someone from india who will work for 75% less then perhaps that idea wasn't such a good one !!! -Rocky |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 26, 2008 10:22 am)  I guess the age of someone is the way you judge people's comprehension, intellegence, knowledge. Some of the absolute dumbest people I've ever met and/or know are much older than me. Just because I was young in the Pre-Clinton, years I did live in the Reagan, years where he flushed our economy down the toilet with deficit spending. He literally killed unions and employers got the upper hand on the working class and we've been climbing a up hill battle ever since. We also had a bunch of recessions during his tenure as president but I'm sure all of those were Carter's fault just like everything wrong today in the U.S. is still Clinton's fault. If you don't believe me listen to Rush, for an hour !!!. The bottom line is you can poke fun of my youth and claim I'm dumb and not as smart as a "lawyer" and you of course "know better" because you went to "college forever". I love how you poke fun of my "experience" but it sounds like to me your experience is that of reading press clippings in the out-house by a slanted writer. What's your experience outside of a court-room or a office ??? I'm writing this with a smile as it's so funny arguing with a lawyer, who is using "age" as a means to judge a person. If I was 15 you might have a leg to stand on. I will bite my tongue to not "offend" my elder on what I really think. I'll leave it at that !!!!  -Rocky |
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I am east of Atlanta, and I forgot about GM Lakewood, I was just thinking Hapeville (Ford) and Doraville (GM)... rocky...is post 2424 directed at me, or someone else???...if me, I need to respond, if not, I can go back to sleep... I am not referring to man Hours, per se...when you count the number of employees that were paid exorbitantly simply to sweep the floor, or those who went to the Jobs Bank (an oxymoron if there ever was one, getting a full week's pay to sit and drink coffee), I do not know if they are actually considered "production workers", so when I say that they can lose 50% of their employees and still make the same vehicles, I am stating that many of those who are employed are simply featherbedded jobs that were never necessary to begin with and were created out of the bloat of the profits of the past... ManHours per vehicle sounds like you are using the actual number of people who are on the line making the cars...also, I would assume that ManHours would be reduced for every robot that does some job somewhere, like painting, welding, or dipping the chassis in anti-rust solution...
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Replying to: dieselone (Jan 26, 2008 4:07 pm) Well some believe a company should only exist to feed the "Fat Cats, until they suck that saucer dry and are not held accountable for any actions as each one of them have golden parachute strings to pull. Some also believe it is neccessary for the company to exist as a means for people to buy it's stock one day and dump it the next. There is no loyalty in the market but their is loyalty from employees of that company. I guess that does not matter.  -Rocky |
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Fortunately, I was not one of those "college forever" people you refer to...you can only take so much classroom before your rear end hurts...those chairs are NEVER comfortable... Age, in and of itself, offers nothing except the passage of time...and, I, too, have met folks in the 60s,70s that still do not understand how turn signal lights work... But you consistently comment on the Carter/Reagan years as though you actually lived them, when you were either unborn or in your child years... You literally have no idea how this nation was embarassed by the hostage crisis in Iran, and how utterly useless carter was as a President...while Reagan was certainly not perfect, he restored pride back in this nation, rebuilt our military (which would NOT have run up such deficits if Carter had not run it down so quickly) and did get the economy going again simply by cutting tax rates FOR EVERYBODY, and that is where your youth and lack of experience shows in every post... All tax brackets were lowered in 1981-1983 (+ or-), and then, in 1986, he created two tax brackets, 15% and 28%...please tell me how that only favored the rich...no, it favored anybody who made money, from lower middle class all the way to upper class...you have been listening to your union buddies who taught you that Reagan was against the common man...he WAS against unions bullying the country, so he fired PATCO, and rightfully so...but he cut the common man's taxes by cutting the rates, and that caused federal revenues to grow from 500 Billion in 1980-1981 to 900 Billion in 1988-1989... The rwason I atribute your lack of comprehension of reality to your youth is simply because you DID NOT live it, you literally know NOTHING about it, and, attributing it to anything other than your youth would be personally insulting to you, and I will not stoop to that level... You did not live thru 20% inflation, 10% unemployment (when there WERE NO Japanese cars taking UAW jobs) and the humiliation of this nation under Carter...so your comments about it are really quite hollow...all you know, or think you know, is rah-rah from your union buddies who simply hate Reagan because of PATCO... I think it was Will Rogers who said, "It ain't what we don't know that is so bad, it is what we know that ain't so that is so bad"... What you know simply ain't so, so when you rail on about some topics, you really have no idea what you are talking about...period... |
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Replying to: tedebear (Jan 26, 2008 4:45 pm) LOL, yeah one would think a expert on labor, would of read a few more facts on the subject. I guess since he lived it those facts don't matter.  Have you ever heard of the Harbour Report? Obviously he hasn't. I guess he like bumpy, believes it's a union bought and paid for organization. It is a measure of how many hours per vehicle (HPV) is required to build a product. Whether a worker is installing seats directly into the vehicle, doing a sub assembly job offline, or an inspector running tests in another part of the facility they all count toward the manpower hours needed to get the final product out the door. Look up the latest figures and then come back and show me where ANY of the Big Three takes twice as many manhours to build a vehicle as it does ANY foreign car plant. And if you want to talk about things before the Clinton era, I'm all ready. I'm old enough to belong to AARP and I've been a UAW member for over 24 years and counting. LOL, it's funny how some people who have "lived it" well have a selective memory of what happened around them. -Rocky |
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Jan 26, 2008 6:29 pm) Tell us about this jobs bank deal. Workers actually get paid to sit around and pick their nose and watch 'The Price is Right?' Since they've loyally paid their union dues and there is no real work for them they have "earned" the UAW right to sit there and eat raspberry jelly donuts and drink fine 'Seattle's Best' coffee and watch the bucks roll in. Doesn't that sound a tad retarded to y'all? Oh, silly me. It's only a "temporary" thing. Eldon will be back in his "real" UAW job as soon as Joe takes a vacation and opens up a spot. Does this even start sounding overly spendful to you? Yikes. Gotta build us some more oversized, over-priced GM vehicles that the loyalists will slather up with quite some favor. Talk about the royal automotive treatment. This is only some of the twisted, money-losing thinking that has made things overly tough on those called upon to "save" the domestic manufacturers. It's funny how some who made the so-called big bucks and sucked it in at the time will fault those that are presently there all because they switched careers. -Rocky
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jan 26, 2008 6:14 pm) Nice to meet you !!!  -Rocky |
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