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an Edmunds Forum contributor has actually identified theirself as a UAW member. That's kind of...umm...revealing in a way. Tell us about this jobs bank deal. Workers actually get paid to sit around and pick their nose and watch 'The Price is Right?' Since they've loyally paid their union dues and there is no real work for them they have "earned" the UAW right to sit there and eat raspberry jelly donuts and drink fine 'Seattle's Best' coffee and watch the bucks roll in. Doesn't that sound a tad retarded to y'all? Oh, silly me. It's only a "temporary" thing. Eldon will be back in his "real" UAW job as soon as Joe takes a vacation and opens up a spot. Does this even start sounding overly spendful to you? Yikes. Gotta build us some more oversized, over-priced GM vehicles that the loyalists will slather up with quite some favor. Talk about the royal automotive treatment. This is only some of the twisted, money-losing thinking that has made things overly tough on those called upon to "save" the domestic manufacturers.
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Replying to: kipk (Jan 26, 2008 2:57 am) I have 21 years in the car biz... selling them and now in the service dept....I went to the service dept. is because the sale dept was and is going under....  
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There have been many allegations that UAW protected workers who were incompetent or did improper things. Compare that to this case of attorneys and attorneys. BTW, how many people get a drunk driving arrest at 0.13 and don't have any punishment other than diversion and 3 day program leading to no record after one year? Oh, I'm not sure if she's an attorney or not. County commissioner, new last couple of years. Prior city commissioner for small town in county. Husband is attorney and Democrat Party Chairman. Judge is elected in a city court in north end of county. She is an attorney (obviously). Her husband is prosecuting attorney for many, many years after his father was prosecuting attorney for county. Oh, they live about 1-1.5 miles from each other. Husband called judge to make sure she knew about wife being on docket? Some humor is she told the State Patrol office twice that she was a county commissioner. He thanked her for her service!!!!  She told him she had been at a function with the governor that evening. Lie. The lieutenant governor had been at a function. Hmmmm. Is that protecting someone? One of the newspaper articles has some pretty straight forward blog posts after it. Arrest Video Photos Arrest Husband call to judge did not seek favor Judge says no special treatment If the daytondailynews.com requests a login, check at bugmenot.com for a login that works... or do a quick login with simple answers to the questions and it lets you into the info. |
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You are speaking to the choir...you seem to think that I believe that attorneys are above the law because they may know a judge...I am first in line to suggest reporting an attorney to the Bar for unethical behavior or a host of other infractions...I have ALWAYS believed that airing our dirty laundry, no matter how painful, is the best so that the public can see that we police our own...I apologize if my thinking disappoints you, but I do beieve in upholding standards... As far as, say, DUI, there is almost always a fine and some jail time here in GA...remember, there are only so many folks that we can fit in the jails, so I would rather fine a DUI and save room for the murderers, rapists, armed robbers, child molesters, just to name a few... If you would prefer to release them so that some lousy DUI at 0.10 BAC can sit in jail, let me know, but I think that is misguided thinking... If we had umlimited space we could place every offender in jail...but we don't so we can't...and THAT is the reality that we face in the Court system, that we must prioritize the space for the worst offenders... Is the system perfect???...of course not...if we had the space they have out in the Arizona desert, we could send them to boot camp like that sheriff who makes them live in so much agony that they never want to go back there...3 meals daily is 3 servings of bread and water, no A/C, live in tents, no TV, kinda similar to Cool hand Luke, which, BTW, I am all in favor of...chain gangs should NEVER have been eliminated...nothing like backbreaking work to make someone change their attitude..."What we have here is a failure to communicate" tedebear: I do not know of the report, but I am simply looking at what the Big 3 will do, and I would be surprised, no, shocked, if they replace all those "buyout workers" one for one...it simply ain't gonna happen, and we will watch the UAW wither from the mighty redwood it once was to something about 1/3 the size...they forced the creation of "make work" jobs that never should have been created, but the profits were there so they were "absorbed" into overhead...with the steady loss of quality over 20-plus years, leading to sales down and profits down, there isn't the fluff to keep those who were never needed from Day One...reality has struck, and they are shedding unnecessary bloat that will never be replaced back to what it was...Ozzie and Harriet are dead, and so are the featherbedding days of the UAW... It really is simple, and all anyone has to do to comprehend this is to pull their head out of the sand and watch...it is called Competition and the Real Market, and it is tough out there... For all of my criticism, I believe that the Big 3 are improving and doing the right thing...but whoever said it was right...had they done this 25 years ago instead of wishing that Honda/Toy would simply go away, they WOULD have a greater market share, and the japanese would not be on such an offensive... No one can or will deny that it was the japanese competition with better quality that (literally) exposed the Big 3 for the junk it was making, simply by making a better product...if the Big 3 had judged the threat properly, instead of calling it a flash in the pan, it would be different today... They have awakened, and it is not too late...they are now doing with labor in a few years what could have been done over 10 years with less shock, but, like the heroin addict going cold turkey, they will either survive or perish... I believe they will survive, but the unneeded, featherbedded workers must be shed NOW, as they simply do NOT need that many to make the amount of product they are making...
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Replying to: tedebear (Jan 26, 2008 4:45 pm) The problem with GM was a sr. management team that did not put the needed priority on QUALITY, especially on the electrical side, including chassis wiring and accessories. Any GM car that I've had in the last 25 years was besieged with electrical failures. Consumer Reports verifies it. Some intermittent, others not. In any case these are the most expensive and most difficult problems to fix. Profits would have followed quality but unreliable cars lose resale value and that makes them more expensive. Secondly the management team did not have the vision to design a vehicle that was forward thinking, leading edge and more advanced than the Japanese and Europeans. Now they have to worry about the Koreans and others. Problem number one was a BOD that allowed the CEO to skate by without meeting any strategic results. They should have given him a 2 year contract with only minimal base compensation. If noticeable improvement in strategic measurement such as quality and customer ratings was not noted the CEO should have been kicked out with out bonuses of any kind.
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 26, 2008 8:34 pm) I don't think I've ever seen that for docs. All of which seems to have little to do with the UAW. And welcome to the new posters; thanks for jumping in! |
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Replying to: tedebear (Jan 26, 2008 4:45 pm) This is interesting! Please reference the post where Marsha7 said the Big 3 takes twice as many. Thanks. Kip
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Replying to: blueeyes6 (Jan 26, 2008 6:37 pm) " Yep, I'm down south of the Hartsfield (Atlanta) airport! Home of GM Doraville, Chevy Lakewood, and Ford Hapeville. All are out of business now. All were UAW! Were they moved to your area, with the "More", Lifestyle ? Are you saying the housing and auto are going out of business, because of the south ??? >" If you would get the same money that we would we would all have are jobs and are homes and the economy would not be go in the shit......" Those that were employed by the above plants did get the UAW wages. Are you saying, they didn't need it because of the "less" life style here? Or are you saying that everyone should have been paid according to UAW standards? >"I have 21 years in the car biz... selling them and now in the service dept....I went to the service dept. is because the sale dept was and is going under.... " My oldest has been selling cars for about 14 years. I think he would agree with you. The service departments of the Big 3 are doing a lot more business than the sales floors. Does that suggest anything? Does it seem a bit strange to you that the "Rice Burners" are building plants "South" of Detroit and thriving, as are their lower paid employees? My car selling son lives in southern Indiana. Another of my sons is in construction in the Chicago area. Visits up there show me that living expenses are considerably higher than here. Much less house for the same money, higher utilities, ETC.. You didn't say it, but those that think us southerners are backward and not overly bright, might stop and take a look at how we actually do live and enjoy life. But please stop retiring down here and telling us how you did it up there! We don't care. Nothing better than attending a NASCAR event at AIR while munching on deep fried rattlesnake and sipping home brew. Now that is lifestyle!  Kip |
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Replying to: surrfurtom (Jan 26, 2008 9:43 pm) You have a point there. My Suburban has so many electrical gremlins that sometimes I think they may have left an employee in the dash just to mess with me (probably still on payroll, LOL). I push the button for fog lights and the rear washer pump runs. When I put is in reverse sometimes the rear wiper moves one swipe. I've decided not to fix those items, but have spent money fixing a 4wd dash switch, and several electrical components behind the dash so I could have heat that doesn't stay on the hottest setting for the driver while letting cold air in freezing the passenger. When I took it to the dealer, they knew exactly what was wrong w/o looking at it and all the parts were in stock. So I must not be alone regarding these issues. |
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Replying to: kipk (Jan 27, 2008 2:27 am) Okay, I'll copy and paste it again: Lat's make it even simpler...if you have 100 people making cars, and you lose 50 and can still make the same amount of cars, wouldn't ANY logical person, and even rocky, admit that the 50 extra workers were simply a drag on company profits because they were never needed???... If you look at the paragraphs above that statement it makes several references to the UAW being overstaffed. The "Lat's make it even simpler" gives a clearer example of what the message is saying. I agree that not all of the Ford buyouts will be replaced with new workers. Most of that is due to product demand, or lack of it. However, there is absolutely no way they will get the same product volume out the door with 50% of the workers and the Harbour report shows that the gap is very, very close.
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