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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 26, 2008 10:22 am) Most of the trust is disclaimers. Also health directives and we have different heirs. Plus different dispersal depending on who dies first. It is a bit complicated by my wife's trust that we folded into our trust. Has anyone read how the buyouts are going at Ford? |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 26, 2008 10:22 am) I was inhaling coffee on that one and almost sprayed it over my laptop when I started laughing. |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 26, 2008 10:22 am)   Marsha, you make a good point. My grandpa was born in Tennessee and he moved up north to Gary, Indiana when he was 18 yrs old to worked 43 years as a union steel worker. He wasn't the dumb "hick" Rocky describes southerners. But I guess since Indiana is south of Michigan, everyone in Indiana are stupid hicks too. I've lived in 6 different states and I can attest that stupid is found every where. |
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Anything to brighten your day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just read in yesterdays paper that Ford offered buyouts to another 35000 workers...(also about 10K salaried workers, IIRC) For once, this will NOT be a union bashing post, but a simple acknowledgement of the obvious...if they can dump, thru buyouts, over 50,000 workers, doesn't that truly mean that they have been overstaffed by billions of dollars of payroll for decades??? Even if you are the President of the UAW, can't you be intellectually honest and admit that Ford (and GM and Chrysler) had thousands of workers being paid to do nothing, if they can eliminate them and still make the cars???... Lat's make it even simpler...if you have 100 people making cars, and you lose 50 and can still make the same amount of cars, wouldn't ANY logical person, and even rocky, admit that the 50 extra workers were simply a drag on company profits because they were never needed???...how can anyone justify "keeping those jobs:" when any semi-intelligent person can see that they are simply overstaffed???...so, when some Presidential candidate says that "they will bring the jobs back" can anybody actually believe that when no one can force anyone to buy a Big 3 product, and, even if they could, since they don;t need that many people to make the cars, just where does anyone expect the "employment" to come from??? Employment of whom???...to do what???...the days of featherbedding are over, they will hire what they need and no more...in the 50s and 60s and 70s Michigan had mass in-migration for the jobs... Last year there was an net out-migration of about 65,000 people...rest assured, it will only increase overtime as the displaced either sell their homes (to whom???) or walk away and file Chapter 7... The artifically created glory days of Michigan are dead and over and will never return...it is simply part of the cycle that cannot be stopped, and there are no jobs, at least in any mass scale, that will return to Michigan...yet, still, the Mich gov't has higher taxes and more regulations on business and is too stupid to try and hold onto anything they can...
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 26, 2008 12:38 pm) I would guess the plan is to hire folks at the lower wage to replace the aging workers that take the buyout. That will save nearly half. Though they will be paying retirement. |
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they will NOT replace each one, worker for worker...expect a radical downsizing, so I still stand by my statement...
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 26, 2008 1:02 pm) |
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at Ford, GM and Chrysler had been much more on their toes and designed buyable products a few decades ago, this problem(along with obnoxious UAW greed)would never have come careening in on them like it has. Finally, the Ford Verve, based on the Mazda2 platform, is in the works. Ding-ding-ding-ding...Bob, I think we have a winner! Tell them what they've won, Bob, on our fun American game show! A new car! 
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 26, 2008 12:38 pm) Because some believe the company should only exist to provide jobs and that profits only feed greedy management and shareholders.
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 26, 2008 1:02 pm) Umm...no, your original statement suggests the UAW is overstaffed by 50% and that they can build the same amount of vehicles if they eliminate 50% of their workforce. That's not even close to what you backpedaled on in this last message. Lat's make it even simpler...if you have 100 people making cars, and you lose 50 and can still make the same amount of cars, wouldn't ANY logical person, and even rocky, admit that the 50 extra workers were simply a drag on company profits because they were never needed???... Have you ever heard of the Harbour Report? It is a measure of how many hours per vehicle (HPV) is required to build a product. Whether a worker is installing seats directly into the vehicle, doing a sub assembly job offline, or an inspector running tests in another part of the facility they all count toward the manpower hours needed to get the final product out the door. Look up the latest figures and then come back and show me where ANY of the Big Three takes twice as many manhours to build a vehicle as it does ANY foreign car plant. And if you want to talk about things before the Clinton era, I'm all ready. I'm old enough to belong to AARP and I've been a UAW member for over 24 years and counting. |
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