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#19725 of 19798 Re: "National unions need to look at what some of the folks out here have done" [imidazol97]
by steve_ HOST
Dec 18, 2012 (9:19 pm)
Not yet, but Geraldo Rivera is still looking.
#19726 of 19798 There are numerous structures
Dec 19, 2012 (12:29 pm)
in Detroit under which Hoffa is supposedly buried...part of I-94, part of I-96, part of the foundation of the Renaissance Center, etc, etc...
I would bet on cement overshoes at the bottom of the Detroit River, communing with the fishes...
#19727 of 19798 Re: There are numerous structures [marsha7]
Dec 19, 2012 (3:02 pm)
I'd say he's a pothole now because the concrete should have taken care of most of the remains over time.
#19729 of 19798 Re: The Obama Christmas gift to the UAW [gagrice]
Dec 20, 2012 (6:04 am)
>One hopes all those Union votes were well worth the now booked $40+ billion cost to all taxpayers.
If anyone didn't expect this kind of quid pro quo for the various unions and other supporters, they don't understand the politics this administration has been playing all along. This president plays to the low information voter.
The good thing is that soon all the government shares will have been sold: the posters can quit kvetching about "government" motors, e.g., when they give a reason for disliking GM.
#19730 of 19798 Re: The Obama Christmas gift to the UAW [imidazol97]
by steve_ HOST
Dec 20, 2012 (6:56 am)
Low information voters like Alan Mulally, lol.
#19731 of 19798 Re: The Obama Christmas gift to the UAW [steve_]
Dec 20, 2012 (7:16 am)
You are not saying Mulally endorsed Obama are you? What could Ford do with the $40 billion wasted on GM? They already build and sell better hybrids than GM. Better trucks than GM. And more modern factories than GM, thanks to the UAW work rules forcing Ford to build in other countries.
#19732 of 19798 Re: The Obama Christmas gift to the UAW [gagrice]
by steve_ HOST
Dec 20, 2012 (7:41 am)
Mulally endorsed the bailout. So you could say he endorsed the auto policies of both Bush II and Obama.
What could Ford do with the $40 billion wasted on GM?
Mm, dunno, funded four months of the war in Afghanistan? (costofwar.com)
#19733 of 19798 Re: The Obama Christmas gift to the UAW [steve_]
Dec 20, 2012 (7:54 am)
If not for the UAW Ford could have replaced all their aging factories in the USA with state of the art factories like the one in Brazil. Instead we have, according to Rocky, the same old 50 year old GM factories and very little to show for it. We are carrying the 800,000 GM retirees with their gold plated HC plan for another few years. They should have been dumped onto PBGC like US Steel industry retirees. And saved US about $50 billion give or take.
I agree on getting out of Afghanistan NOW. That would save US a cool $100 billion per year right there and nothing would change.
#19734 of 19798 Re: The Obama Christmas gift to the UAW [gagrice]
Dec 20, 2012 (8:27 am)
Along with old factories, maybe replace some of those aging execs with some who understand that big and cheap isn't what makes cars desirable in 2012, as well. The MB factory I visited last month, albeit stocked with modern equipment, was definitely not a new build - but the product is still sought.