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bad decisions by management are quite another. Boeing is going great guns right now...good for them. They can fly right off into the stratosphere and make a deal with their...umm...destiny. My point is that unions can do nothing when management has ideas they intend to implement. I just don't have any respect for a company that will plead with you to work overtime all the time. PLEASE, PLEASE HELP US GET LUFTHANSA AND JAL OUT THIS WEEKEND. PRETTY PLEASE! Everything will be going along fine and then Joe Jelly Donut will decide to just poop-can 19 out of 21 dedicated, hard-working, loyal employees in an instant. Big-whoop-dee-doop, huh? Took one for the Big Bopper. Well, they can have all the big birds they want. Big birds for Boeing's Big Boys. What a bunch of dorks. Fly bye-bye now! I read that SPEEA's Executive Board has voted to remove Charles Bofferding, their Executive Above All Other SPEEA Executives. Another Starbuck's and Jelly Donut decision. Hummm..I wonder how many degrees C.Bofferding has? Charles was away attending his daughter's graduation and came back, the Board had a meeting and pulled a surprise out of their hat. We're gonna take a vote on you keeping your job or us telling you to leave, C.Bofferding. Guess how it came out? 4-3 to oust him. Oh well. Another brilliant Boeing moment. Apparently these people who voted him out didn't discuss their intentions like some super-important members of the SPEEA Executive Board felt they should have(democratic, open-discussion type principles)and they are hotter than hornets over it right now. But that's Boeing. They can have it and buzz off with it, too. I'll hang out down here and work my Allied Healthcare job(that is in great demand all over the nation right now)and do a good job. All the while I'll be glad that dorks in business suits don't oversee everything I do and then clamp in with a Starbuck's and jelly donut Homer Simpson brilliant sleaze-ball moment while I'm not looking. Have fun up there in Jimi Hendrix land, y'all. Don't try keeping the Sonics up there, either, Mr. Bennett has pulled his own Starbuck's and jelly donut moment out by buying the Supersonics from Mr.Howard Schultz, the majority owner of Starbuck's. They very well could be on their way to OKC. Looks like the Muckleshoot tribe may just have to be the group to propose the $500mil stadium complex that will make Clay happy and keep the Sonics in Seattle. But that's off-topic and not in the same line of thinking that perhaps UAW demands just may have flown the coup a tad and gotten a bit out of control. Just a tad?
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Aug 12, 2007 3:50 pm) competition does that. employers are in desperate need of qualified, skilled, reliable employees. Hell, we're importing them from other countries now. They will do what it takes to aquire and retain such employees.The secret is, you need to aquire a skill or knowldge that makes you valuable. Unions don't see it that way. they look at it as, I exist, therefore I get. all unions do is inflate the wages of low skilled people. It isn't 1930 anymore, if you want a six figure salary you don't need a union.......you need a college education. Most manufacturing jobs are simply repetitive, low skilled labor positions. Technology has done that. And they just arn't worth what the UAW thinks they are. Its simple supply and demand. If you can find any joe blow off the street to perform a job, they why would you pay him a rediculous wage when you can find ten thousand more like him to do the same thing. As far as advancement, the best and brightest do have the opportunity to move up, w/ no preference to seniority: It's called management. yes, and thats because management is not allowed to belong to the union. I'm sure you can find examples here and there where the union allowed a promotion without senority, but seniority far and away rules the day at any union shop. |
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Aug 12, 2007 4:22 pm) |
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Aug 12, 2007 4:22 pm) As for affairs at work, the only one to make the papers was the Stonecypher mistake that began when "they" were at M/D. Those two brought their trist with them to Boeing. While you are happy where you are - stay out of the vineyard business. You would only grow "sour grapes". 
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Aug 12, 2007 3:50 pm) The "Union Mentality" of honoring "seniority" over "quality" is what has enabled mass mediocrity to come out of the union shop. Why should the oldest and/or longest serving employee be honored more than the better qualified younger person? What has fairness got to do with competing for a job? 
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if you leave a lot of the people out of it. The actual job was a challenging one and working conditions were generally fairly good. Pay was good and the benefits were excellent. Like I say, I was feeling like working there until retirement. Until too many Chiefs got together and changed all of that. It's a very uncomfortable place to work...even now as Boeing is prospering I'll bet the vast majority of the workers are scared of losing their job. That feeling permeates the workplace. I wish them well. Glad to be gone. They can have it and attempt to make sweet wine out of an entire company full of sour, rotting grapes, know-it-alls and degreed dorks in various degrees of tough Puget-Sound attitude. If you work there you are always going to be hounded and you'll be swooshed away in a micro-second. If they decide in a moment of jelly donut Homer Simpsoon brilliance that they'd like to swoosh you, they'll do it. Idiots. Let them be forced to watch 'The View' nonstop for 6 years. I do think that the UAW are part of the reason that Ford, GM and Chrysler are where they are today. Even when Boeing got antsy and laid off 40,000+ loyal, dedicated workers in 2002-2003, the Company was still earning money. Just not enough publicly traded stock dividend money was coming in to please enough greedy palates. Once again, outside influences creeping in and creating nuisances. To lose what Ford is losing and Chrysler, increasing worker benefits and demands don't make any sense. That should change or more jobs will fall. |
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Replying to: euphonium (Aug 13, 2007 8:25 am) Because, at least where I work, those bid jobs that go strictly by seniority are for jobs that we train fully for IN HOUSE!!! There is language in the contract that states that the company can look at extra qualifications when considering elegible candidates, but ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL,SENIORITY SHALL PREVAIL (as opposed to the employee who spent most of their workday under the bosses desk, or the one who is related to a vice president).
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Aug 13, 2007 1:01 pm) If you want to put your barganing power in the hands of someone else, or let a corrupt, broke, self interested union tell your employer what your worth, then by all means go ahead. I, on the other hand, will watch out for my own interests, and determine myself, what my work is worth.
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Replying to: jd10013 (Aug 13, 2007 2:19 pm) Very true in the ILWU (International Longshore & Warehouse Union)as the only way to get a "Regular" card is by incestuous nepotism. Locally, it used to help a lot by joining a certain lodge first, making a connection via a brother of the lodge. Gotta know the handshake and password When the "Regular" gets to work an hour or more away from the hall, his pay includes portal to portal which can be up to four hours a shift sitting on his caboose in a pickup going to and from the ships. Harry Bridges is still and always will be their hero. 
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I guess that's why the rest of the first world feels pity for the uneducated in this country.  -Rocky |
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