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#16663 of 16701 Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [verdugo] by gagrice Nov 08, 2009 (9:32 pm)
Replying to: verdugo (Nov 08, 2009 8:13 pm) That was a highly publicized Delphi worker that was filing for bankruptcy when he got cut back on OT and was only making $87,000 per year in 2005.   The coming months will be painful for many American autoworkers. Accustomed to a certain lifestyle, they will see their wages cut in half, jeopardizing second homes, college tuitions, and car payments. One blue-collar Delphi worker interviewed by the Detroit News makes $103,000 a year operating a forklift and fears the consequences if his pay is drastically reduced.   Grass cutter with benefits cost Delphi:   Just listen to Steve Miller a turnaround specialist who is steering Delphi's restructuring process. He exploded the myth of America's "endangered" union manufacturing jobs at his October press conference announcing Delphi's move into Chapter 11: "We cannot continue to pay $65 an hour for someone to cut the grass and remain competitive." Replies to this message: andre1969 (Nov 10, 2009 7:45 am) dieselone (Nov 10, 2009 3:38 pm) andre1969 (Nov 11, 2009 8:03 am) and 2 more... verdugo (Nov 10, 2009 7:49 am)
#16664 of 16701 Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [gagrice] by andre1969 Nov 10, 2009 (7:45 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 08, 2009 9:32 pm) I think I tried a rough math estimate when that $106K forklift operator story came to light. If the guy normally made $28/hour but got 1.5X for OT, anything over 40 hours per week, then he'd have to pull down a 62 hour work week to end up with $106K per year.   And considering they probably got double-time for many situations, like maybe holidays and sundays? He probably pulled down less than 62 hours per week.   Nice work, if you can get it! I used to work about 65 hours per week, but I didn't make anywhere near $106K per year! Replies to this message: dieselone (Nov 10, 2009 3:38 pm) andre1969 (Nov 11, 2009 8:03 am) tedebear (Nov 14, 2009 12:42 pm) and 1 more...
#16665 of 16701 Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [gagrice] by verdugo Nov 10, 2009 (7:49 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 08, 2009 9:32 pm) All I can say is   Seriously though, that is very short sighted from everybody involved. I don't care how good your products are, you won't be able to price them competitively when you pay fork lift operators $106k (and don't even get me started on whether a fork lift operator is worth $106k/year.)
#16666 of 16701 Ford initiated the 8 hour work day in 1909 by gagrice Nov 10, 2009 (9:45 am)
Here is an interesting video about mass production of the Model T by Ford. The UAW likes to lay claim to the 8 hour work day. It seems that Ford started it long before the UAW existed. His thinking was to have 3 shifts building his cars. He also paid higher wages than anyone else.   Model T
#16667 of 16701 Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [andre1969] by dieselone Nov 10, 2009 (3:38 pm)
Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 10, 2009 7:45 am) you probably also need to factor holiday pay and any type of bonuses throughout the year. Holiday pay alone and possibly Sunday pay can add up to several thousand dollars. I don't know how it works with the automakers, but I know steel workers for LTV etc back in the 90's would get double time and a 1/2 on holidays plus 8 hours pay. My FIL would work a double shift ever holiday, because he couldn't pass up on the money, well that was until LTV went bankrupt. Replies to this message: andre1969 (Nov 11, 2009 8:03 am) tedebear (Nov 14, 2009 12:42 pm) gagrice (Nov 14, 2009 2:12 pm)
#16668 of 16701 Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [dieselone] by andre1969 Nov 11, 2009 (8:03 am)
Replying to: dieselone (Nov 10, 2009 3:38 pm) I think the warehouse workers here get double-time for weekends. Or, at least, Sundays. And in what's probably typical union fashion, the guys who get first priority for the OT aren't the best workers, but those who are good friends with the higher-ups. Although to be fair, you get that mentality everywhere, not just in unions. Heck, we have a couple people in my company who aren't worth squat. Only reason they're still around is because they're friend with or related to some higher-up. Replies to this message: tedebear (Nov 14, 2009 12:42 pm) gagrice (Nov 14, 2009 2:12 pm)
#16669 of 16701 Contract Question by lqqkout Nov 12, 2009 (7:46 pm)
There is a discussion going on where some people are saying Ford has no sick leave. I retired from IBEW after 30 years and thought I'd go to the source. What kind of sick time are you given in your contract like after 5, 10, 15, 25 years? Not disability or workmens' comp, but sick days/leave? Thanks so much and keep up the good work. By the way, my union was bogged down representing the slackers, too. Must be a sign of the times... Replies to this message: gagrice (Nov 12, 2009 8:42 pm) lqqkout (Nov 16, 2009 7:50 am)
#16670 of 16701 Re: Contract Question [lqqkout] by gagrice Nov 12, 2009 (8:42 pm)
Replying to: lqqkout (Nov 12, 2009 7:46 pm) Welcome to the discussion. I retired after 37 years in the Alaska Teamsters as a communications tech. So I know what you are saying is true. Back in 1970 the IBEW which was our first choice for a Union, had a lot of slackers working for the local telephone utility. The head business agent sold the 75 technicians that I was a part of down the river so we ended up Teamsters. Go figure. And we had slackers to deal with as well. I think Unions suffer more from that malady than non union shops where it is easy to can a loser.
#16672 of 16701 UAW Out To Get Ford in KC by berri Nov 13, 2009 (8:51 am)
Sounds like a bunch of angry UAW workers at that Ford Kansas City plant who now apparently want to strike the ailing company. When the workforce gets like this in a plant, its hard to fix and I'm afraid its time to shut the operation down. If they don't want to support their company's recovery, who needs them? Replies to this message: cooterbfd (Nov 14, 2009 10:51 am) berri (Nov 14, 2009 11:05 am) tlong (Nov 14, 2009 1:11 pm) fezo (Nov 14, 2009 1:38 pm) and 14 more... coldfusionmk1 (Nov 15, 2009 9:11 pm)

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