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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [gagrice] by tlong
Nov 06, 2009 (2:48 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 06, 2009 1:11 pm)

Mexico does have some strong labor laws. I don't know about India. I think if I was running Ford I would go with those South of US.
 
I agree. Transportation costs are low and even if unionized, they are not so militant as the UAW. The Fusion proves that Mexico can do a good job. VW and others have been making cars in Mexico for a long time.
 
Let Ford move it all south, and then let the US show it wants those jobs. I'm sure Ford could eventually relocate to a southern state. Imagine - Boeing moved from Seattle to Chicago. What message would it send if Ford HQ moved out of Michigan to a more reasonable state?
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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [gagrice] by circlew
Nov 06, 2009 (4:52 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 06, 2009 1:37 pm)

You can farm out the electrician's work, afaic. You are building cars and only need labor exclusive to add value to that alone. The UAW will just suck the competitive advantage out of Ford, GM and C-Fiat to justify the inherent organization that is an unnecessary layer of cost. The membership pay and the company pays,
 
Does't make much sense, particularly in the current economic market.
 
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OW
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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [gagrice] by circlew
Nov 07, 2009 (5:58 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 06, 2009 1:11 pm)

You hit the nail on the head (I use that phrase because it is simply understood)!
 
Sort of like the 1941 UAW contract when cars were built like brick sh__houses...

 
Not like pieces of junk today reflecting this abomination.

 
K.I.S.S.
 
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OW
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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [circlew] by dieselone
Nov 07, 2009 (6:22 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 07, 2009 5:58 am)

Maybe they could use the back side of the current UAW contract to print the health care bill and we could save some trees.
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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [circlew] by gagrice
Nov 07, 2009 (6:24 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 07, 2009 5:58 am)

Looking at that stack of paper that the UAW has forced onto Ford makes it clear why my GMC PU truck had a mis-aligned door. The guy that normally installs driver side doors on GMC PU trucks was probably off sick and they could not find another person with door alignment classification. So all the trucks GMC built that day went out of the factory with a poorly aligned door. When they asked Bubba to fill in he quickly pointed to page 1932 of the contract that clearly states passenger door aligners would not be asked to align doors on the drivers side.
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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [circlew] by steve_ HOST
Nov 07, 2009 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 07, 2009 5:58 am)

600 of those sheets of paper say "This page intentionally left blank".
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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [steve_] by circlew
Nov 07, 2009 (12:29 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 07, 2009 9:37 am)

Whopdeedoo! 1,600 pages seems is an abridged version.
 
Now we're getting somewhere!
 
Let me know when it falls under 50 pages.
 
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OW
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So who wants to venture a guess... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 07, 2009 (10:02 pm)
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how many pages the contract should really be. I'll take a stab at it.
 
I'm gonna say they only really need about 25 pages for the entire contract. Really, how many raspberry jelly donuts and cups of Starbuck's does it take to hammer that pup out? Is this yet another example of American excessiveness? Or does not nationality play a part in these contracts at all?
 
The same one could be drawn up in Japan, too, you're thinking? For Nissan or Toyota or Honda? Never mind Mitsubishi's Normal, IL, plant. They're already sucked in by the UAW there.
 
I'm not. This is a raspberry jelly donut and Starbuck's phenomenon here. Truly and totally American, where we grow 'em big and do everything big. Like the infamous Cadidillac.
 
The domestics are toast, except for possible Fo-Mo-Co. They're the only one I like at all right now. But they need to shed the UAW's, and quickly.
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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [circlew] by lemko
Nov 08, 2009 (10:40 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 06, 2009 1:03 pm)

Well, it would do a lot for population control unless those scabs want to live in Ford plants like Oompah-Loompahs. The second they step outside Ford property, they'll essentially be commiting suicide.
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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [lemko] by circlew
Nov 08, 2009 (12:40 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 08, 2009 10:40 am)

The second they step outside Ford property, they'll essentially be commiting suicide.
 
Great! The UAW can then begin collective bargaining in the Correctional System! I'm sure the contract will be under one paragraph on a page!
 
Since they already ruined GM and C and trying to finish off F now, here is a little blurb describing how PE unions will ensure Detroit become a no man's land that you so eloquently describe:
 
On Tuesday, voters in Detroit trudged to the polls and re-elected 65-year-old Mayor Dave Bing, giving him five new city council members to accomplish a mission impossible: bring Michigan's biggest city back from near death. There's no clear prescription that will work, and Detroit's recalcitrant public-employee unions will resist the fiscal therapy that will necessarily be a part of any recovery.
 
Short term, Detroit's best hope may be to go bankrupt. However, given Michigan law, which has never been tested because no city has ever filed for bankruptcy, it's unclear if even bankruptcy will fully release Detroit from the clutches of its unions and allow it to start over. The only thing certain is that fate is not kind to a city that allows unions to run amok.

 
Can't let the UAW have all of the notoriety!
 
Regards,
OW

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