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More Union Cutbacks by m6vx
Nov 06, 2009 (9:32 am)
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Chrysler is cutting back on back on the number of union carhaulers it uses, and GM is considering following suit.
 
http://www.teamster.org/content/teamsters-protest-fiatchryslers-attack-american-- carhaul-jobs-outside-embassy-italy
 
So... we've got new union contracts at GM and Chrysler, more non-union car haulers, Boeing opening a non-union plant in SC, and the Ford UAW rejects a new contract to make Ford competitive with its global competition.
 
The union tower is crumbling - which hit will make this obsolete structure finally tumble?
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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [steve_] by gagrice
Nov 06, 2009 (12:11 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 06, 2009 8:35 am)

I think Mexico is the logical direction Ford should take. They tried to deal with the UAW and were told to shove it. If Ford can maintain good quality from South of the Border more power to them. It also keeps some would be illegals home working. Our Teamster contract when I retired was about the size of the original UAW/Ford contract. 36 pages including the wage schedule. It fit in your hip pocket for quick easy reference.
 
One of our posters is a Professor in Georgia. He was stunned at the salaries paid to CA professors in our Universities. The top 2277 profs in 2005 knock down from $200k to $999,999. I would like to see a study on the wages paid State by State to civil servants. I don't think there should be much emphasis on servant, as they are more like masters over the middle class tax payers.
 
http://www.sfgate.com/news/special/pages/2005/ucsalary/
 
In 2009 the top pay in the University system is $2,831,534.
 
http://www.sacbee.com/1098/story/1669273.html
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Ford was the last... by lemko
Nov 06, 2009 (12:16 pm)
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...major manufacturer to accept the UAW. Could it be the first to dump them?
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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Nov 06, 2009 (12:55 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 06, 2009 12:11 pm)

They tried to deal with the UAW and were told to shove it. If Ford can maintain good quality from South of the Border more power to them.
 
Mexico has strong unions and strong worker protection laws. What happens when this happens?
 
"A labor dispute at an auto parts supplier in India has forced Ford to shut production of its new Taurus full-size sedan one week due to a transmission component shortage, a spokesman said on Friday."
 
Ford Taurus in one-week production halt (Reuters)
 
If there's a labor dispute at the factory, production will be shut down and there won't be any way to shift to a different supplier.
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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [steve_] by circlew
Nov 06, 2009 (1:03 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 06, 2009 12:55 pm)

Funny in a contry with 10.2% unemployment, the Unions in the U.S as well as international suppliers can shut down a plant. Not too good relying on one supplier, particularly if it is burdened with unionized labor.
 
There are multiple millions of potential scabs that Ford can rely on at the moment if it really wanted to. What a historical lockout it would be if Ford abandoned the UAW!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [steve_] by gagrice
Nov 06, 2009 (1:11 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 06, 2009 12:55 pm)

Mexico does have some strong labor laws. I don't know about India. I think if I was running Ford I would go with those South of US.
 
Then 5 years from now Ford can go back to their shuttered factories in Detroit and see if anyone in town is ready to work for a reasonable wage. Say here is the 20 page contract. It says you get this much, we pay this much of your HC, this percentage into your 401K and if we need an electrician to clean the latrine, it is our money to do with as we see fit. Let the state OSHA laws handle the safety. Never give into 2200 pages of ignorance by the UAW.
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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Nov 06, 2009 (1:26 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 06, 2009 1:11 pm)

HC? Ah, health care...took me a minute.
 
I'm all for being able to carry a laptop across the factory floor without violating union rules, but the job description of an electrician shouldn't include latrine duty. You farm that stuff out.
 
For fans of a shuttered Detroit, here's a time waster via Straightline.
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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [steve_] by gagrice
Nov 06, 2009 (1:37 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 06, 2009 1:26 pm)

but the job description of an electrician shouldn't include latrine duty. You farm that stuff out.
 
There was a few times in Prudhoe I would have liked to do just that. When the toilet plugged up and spread you know what all over the floor. Our fancy title did not protect us from clean up duty. Flexibility is important in an efficiently run business.
 
Hiring someone for 8 hours to do 2 hours work is not very efficient. If the electrician is sitting on his butt waiting for a bulb to change I see no reason he cannot perform cleanup duty. A boss should have the right to assign work as he sees fit. If the person is not capable he could be wasting time. However, there is not a lot of training needed to clean the latrine.
 
The Alascom contract had some work rules that caused a lot of grief. It was mostly to protect the Teamster Warehousemen. They were the prima donna workers in the company.
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Re: UAW needs to catch up with the rest of US MFG. [gagrice] by tlong
Nov 06, 2009 (2:48 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 06, 2009 1:11 pm)

Mexico does have some strong labor laws. I don't know about India. I think if I was running Ford I would go with those South of US.
 
I agree. Transportation costs are low and even if unionized, they are not so militant as the UAW. The Fusion proves that Mexico can do a good job. VW and others have been making cars in Mexico for a long time.
 
Let Ford move it all south, and then let the US show it wants those jobs. I'm sure Ford could eventually relocate to a southern state. Imagine - Boeing moved from Seattle to Chicago. What message would it send if Ford HQ moved out of Michigan to a more reasonable state?

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